Boris and Carrie have had their baby

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I didn't realise she was due already. Baby boy born this morning!

Cam77
" complicated relationship history" is that what Mumsneters call lowlife absentee fathers/philanderers who happen to have a posh accent/ important job?

His children with Marina Wheeler are all over the age of 20! So hardly absent at this point. How do we know what kind of father he is is to them! He may have stayed in the (presumably unhappy) marriage in order to be a good Dad.

I fully accept that I might be wrong but I am really trying to say we should not be so nasty and quick to judge without knowing the facts. Only the people involved can judge what has happened - we are just drawing conclusions based on the little we know

We don't even know how many siblings the poor baby has. There being court injunctions in place.

4 by his second wife, 1 by a mistress and how many more we aren't allowed to know. To say nothing of the abortion he persuaded one mistress to have.

He can't even use a condom properly yet we are supposed to let him run the country.

Maybe, just maybe his close call with death has changed him as both a man, a partner and a father

Let's hope his 10 year old daughter sees some of the benefit of that.

He's 55. I suppose it's possible to have a total change of outlook at 55, but (speaking as a 58yo) I'd say it's unlikely. People have been criticising Johnson's character and actions in print, on radio and TV for over 30 years and it's had no effect at all. (I well remember Private Eye documenting things decades ago.)

I just don’t get the furore over the baby. He’s in his late 50s with several other kids it’s barely news-it’s should be a footnote at best. I don’t get why he can’t work as well tbh, he’s not travelling anywhere at the moment. if he takes paternity leave it’s an absolute joke. It’s the biggest national emergency since ww2 ffs. If he’s still unwell fair enough, hand responsibility over to deputy.

He may have stayed in his marriage to Marina Wheeler to be a good dad to the children? I've heard it all now. By definition, a good dad doesn't have one extramarital affair after another and publicly humiliate his wife.

'Their' baby? Hers, surely. He doesn't give a fuck about creating, acknowledging or raising his kids. It's hardly really his in any meaningful way surely?

One assumes she wanted a baby not him, given his track record. Congratulations to her and hope the baby daddy isn't too much hassle to keep out of the way.

How do any of us know whether he has been a good father? This thread is so nasty and judgemental. His parenting cannot possibly be judged by any of us as we do not know the facts. Well it's been reported that his eldest daughter said he was a selfish bastard, he is reported to have never met his youngest daughter and denied she existed so I wouldn't say he was a candidate for father of the year.

I know everyone is always very sympathetic about his 2nd wife and she was said to be furious when she found out Carrie was pregnant whilst they were still married but this was history repeating itself as his first wife divorced him because of his affair with Marina and she was pregnant before he was divorced. Obviously the timing made this all hard for her with her cancer and her mother's death, I've read that their children are very supportive of her so I hope she is OK.

The person I feel sorry for in this sage is the little girl who will grow up knowing that her father denied he was her father and fought a court battle to prevent people finding out he was. If I could get the papers to do anything it would be to stop naming her and her mother.

Let's just hope it is 3rd time lucky.

Cam77

He’s also a landslide election-winner and the Prime Minister of the UK with a full mandate, so enjoy stewing impotently on that fact for many years!

He's 55. I suppose it's possible to have a total change of outlook at 55 To be fair I think some men who haven't been great can dote on the child of their old age and let's face it he will be in his 70s when this one is leaving school. For the baby's sake I hope it happens.

The person I feel sorry for in this sage is the little girl who will grow up knowing that her father denied he was her father and fought a court battle to prevent people finding out he was.

Yes.

Read that sentence a few times, @tealady. You can be a Tory without having to scrape the barrel of defending a man that would do that to his child, you know.

Boris Johnson is a vile human being.

Oh and also I could repeat that:

The person I feel sorry for in this sage is the little girl who will grow up knowing that her father denied he was her father and fought a court battle to prevent people finding out he was.

Yes.

Read that sentence a few times, @CendrillonSings. You can be a Tory without having to scrape the barrel of defending a man that would do that to his child, you know.

Boris Johnson is a vile human being.

@CendrillonSings, I doubt very much he'd have won a landslide in December if Labour had had a competent appealing leader with sensible policies. Johnson at that point represented someone with a plan as opposed to Corbyn, who appeared to be living in a castle in the air full of waffle. After three years of hell following the referendum, my feeling is that most voters just wanted to draw a line under all of that and move on.

I doubt very much there’s much human in you going by your comments. Nasty

There’s plenty, thank you. Just because I refuse to eulogise over a PM with the morals of an alley cat who never knowingly tells the truth doesn’t make me inhuman. It makes me someone with standards.

Congratulations to them. I hope their little baby boy is ok. What a time to come into the world. Luckily the PM recovered in time!

I hope the announcement of this birth will be all over by 10 o'clock news tonight. Yes, it's happened, hope mother and baby are doing well but we really have more important things to deal with and
Boris is known for being lazy so he needs to get his arse into gear.

As far as paternity leave, I bloody well hope not! It didn't exist when my DCs were born (half a day off or stretching to one day with last child) so I'm sure he can support her as much as he has done all his other children.

I'm glad Carrie Symonds is well and baby is safe but that's it. I just don't want to hear about it any more. I'm more interested in hearing about why Rishi Sunak is going against what other countries are doing and seems to be happy to bail out Companies who pay no taxes here. Perhaps Boris could answer that one.

@CendrillonSings
No, I won't be doing any stewing thanks as I have a great life, family, friends, hobbies and successful business. But I just say what I see - the PM isn't a decent man and the Tories have done a shit job at handling this crisis. How the good people of the UK or anywhere else do or do not vote doesn't change that.

I don't see how anyone who has affairs makes a good parent tbh.

Simplistic view maybe, but when you're screwing around behind your wife's back I can't see how you're thinking of your family!

Given some of the more unpleasant posts on here, it's interesting to see there've only been a couple of deletions ... so much for MN's pretence to be a supportive place for ALL parents, or the blabber about "imagine reading such-and-such about yourself"

I'd have thought any new baby a joy, but it seems that only applies if it fits with the metropolitan chatterati's politics

@HMSSophie

“He'll take paternity leave. God what an absentee PM he's been” “And no I do not think a PM has a right to paternity leave under the circumstances, before you ask. He's a lazy fucker at the best of times.”

I don’t particularly like Boris, but am disgusted by your comments. He has been absent because he has had the CV. Would you have rather he continued to work, against medical advice? Perhaps you think he should have carried on working from his bed in ICU? While this wasn’t possible, if he had, I suspect you would have been on here saying that he shouldn’t be working and putting anyone else at risk, such is your mentality.
Plus he DOES have a right to paternity leave, as much as any other person. I don’t think he will, but he does have that right, unless you think paternity leave should be abolished?

@Humina
“I don't think he was ever as ill as was claimed.”

Do you really think that he was in ICU for a laugh? That he wasn’t very ill? Probably carrying on with his duties, after diagnosis, contributed to how sick he actually was! I presume you are higher qualified, than the ICU consultant that treated him? No!!

Of course a new baby is a joy! But that doesn't mean we have to like the father

Think of all the feckless fathers who have had 7 children with 5 different Mothers and who don't support them, do we have to like them?

@Puzzledandpissedoff
Yeah, of course all other less famous/posh feckless dads usually get such an easy ride on MN. Sure...

@sweetiepye Have you forgotten that we were told he was working from his hospital bed before going into ICU?

Interesting to see all the posters who think that stating facts about Boris is nasty, but happy on other threads for people to say that it is fine to let old people in care homes die.