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Boris speaking now (Monday)

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SouthWestmom · 27/04/2020 09:13

I'm listening on radio (LBC)

Just started with a general we're passing through the peak and thanks joe public

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Ulver · 27/04/2020 13:05

Herd immunity is not produced by letting a virus run riot through the population as Cummings mistakenly thought.
Herd immunity is produced through effective vaccination programs.
So the govt wasted weeks sitting on their hands waiting for the virus to arrive due to an unelected advisor having undue influence on the PM.

CendrillonSings · 27/04/2020 13:06

The reason our response is so dire imo is that this govt started off with the Herd Immunity approach and have pretty much failed to successfully change direction from that.

That must be why the government is spending countless billions to pay people to sit at home, close down the economy, shield the vulnerable, and prevent the NHS from being overwhelmed...

Do facts mean nothing to you? Pursuing “herd immunity” would mean doing the exact opposite of all those things!

Ulver · 27/04/2020 13:08

The govt is lucky that the population have generally followed lockdown because the govts actions have been minor in comparison.
Lack of testing lack of PPE lack of quarantine for visitors from abroad.
There is a vacum in leadership.
Boris is not a good PM.

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CuriousaboutSamphire · 27/04/2020 13:09

Sorry choma some of the available early tests, issues with mass testing etc etc. There was no easily available, valid, mass test initially. Other countries had easier access due to their past history, there manufacturing capabilities etc.

Blah blah negativity negativity...

And others still harping on about needing a time machine.

I'm not even pretending that there have been no mistakes. But I do recognise that the situation differs country to country and day to day.

chomalungma · 27/04/2020 13:10

Germany has an impressive diagnostics industry

Back at the start of March, they had a good RT-PCR test

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7068163/

I don't even think we had locked down then.
I certainly don't think we had geared up the resources of the PCR machines available in the UK.

But hindsight is a wonderful thing. If only we could have somehow seen what was happening and stepped up to do trace and test?

chomalungma · 27/04/2020 13:12

ome of the available early tests, issues with mass testing etc etc. There was no easily available, valid, mass test initially. Other countries had easier access due to their past history, there manufacturing capabilities etc.

Not in this country.

We do have a strong bioscience industry. We have lots of PCR machines available.

We just fucked it up.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 27/04/2020 13:13

So... This is another thread that is impossible to continue with because some are so entrenched they won't think passed their political bias!

Fuck it! Again, I am forced to quit talking about this, having a proper discussion.

Sorry, choma and others, who were disagreeing with specifics. I am not referring to you!

chomalungma · 27/04/2020 13:13

he govt is lucky that the population have generally followed lockdown because the govts actions have been minor in comparison

That's one good thing. We have been very compliant in the lockdown.

More than expected, apparently

MarieQueenofScots · 27/04/2020 13:16

We have been very compliant in the lockdown

We have. Unfortunately our MP hasn't been quite so compliamt, but I would imagine he's working on the basis of do as I say, not as I do!

I'm surprised people were expecting much from today's speech; it was literally just going to be a "I'm back". It wasn't poor in terms of missing content, it sure as heck wasn't "excellent".

CaroleFuckinBaskin · 27/04/2020 13:16

I don't trust him to find the cure for a headache, even after Whitty has handed him the pack of aspirin.

MarieQueenofScots · 27/04/2020 13:16

*compliant

m0therofdragons · 27/04/2020 13:17

Testing isn’t reliable - 60% accurate so “clinically suspicious” cases are treated as covid (where X-ray shows obviously covid but test is negative twice).

I think with hindsight there’s lots of learnings that the government will be unfairly criticised for. I’m happy the daily briefings have been informative and think the calls for an exit strategy from the media were too soon. I find the lack of patience from the media (and then the public sparked by media negativity) infuriating.

Ulver · 27/04/2020 13:22

Oh how dare anyone have a different opinion or question the govts actions 🙄.
Same lines trotted out daily by the same MNetters.
It seems to be the only thing they come here for.

chomalungma · 27/04/2020 13:25

Testing isn’t reliable - 60% accurate so “clinically suspicious” cases are treated as covid (where X-ray shows obviously covid but test is negative twice

Testing is reliable - if you get a positive result, then it's highly likely you have the disease.

Negative results - well, sometimes you get negative results for lots of reasons.

But a positive result is very likely to show that you have it.

chomalungma · 27/04/2020 13:26

Testing isn’t reliable - 60% accurate so “clinically suspicious” cases are treated as covid (where X-ray shows obviously covid but test is negative twice

What do you mean by 'accurate'?

Have you got a link to a study showing that?

m0therofdragons · 27/04/2020 14:46

Anecdotally found in our acute trust. We’ve have a number of cases that display as “obvious covid” and have been told to record them as “clinically suspicious” despite swabs. When we challenged the labs we were told there’s roughly a 60%accuracy depending on the stage the swabs are taken and the virul load at that point.

m0therofdragons · 27/04/2020 14:50

This mentions 60% but not straight forward
www.cebm.net/covid-19/comparative-accuracy-of-oropharyngeal-and-nasopharyngeal-swabs-for-diagnosis-of-covid-19/
We also found staff skills varied in taking reliable swabs so had to provide additional training as soon as gap was recognised.

chomalungma · 27/04/2020 14:59

When we challenged the labs we were told there’s roughly a 60%accuracy depending on the stage the swabs are taken and the virul load at that point

The word 'accuracy' is the issue.

If it comes back positive, then you are very likely to have the disease - so that's an accurate test.

If it comes back negative - that's the key question. What are the chances of having the disease, given its come back negative?

And that depends on many things - and if it's coupled with other diagnostic tests, such as you have described, then I guess the doctor would have to say it was Covid-19, even though the tests say no.

And just wait till people find out the PPV and NPV of the antibody tests

AnnofPeeves · 27/04/2020 15:07

Are we still two weeks behind? We went for half arsed lockdown so I would have thought our numbers will be falling slower.

Our lockdown places similar restrictions on residents as France (other than needing an attestation when you go out), Spain and Italy. There's a bit of difference relating to exercising yourself or your dog, but not much else. France has reopened outdoor markets and schools start back soon.

Womenwotlunch · 27/04/2020 15:07

Even though I am not a fan of Boris Johnson .I was hoping that after his brush with death, he would come back a bigger, better man . Someone who would give us some much needed answers to questions.
Unfortunately, he reverted to type ; all noise but no sound

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