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Boris speaking now (Monday)

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SouthWestmom · 27/04/2020 09:13

I'm listening on radio (LBC)

Just started with a general we're passing through the peak and thanks joe public

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MorrisZapp · 27/04/2020 12:44

The hand shaking thing was extremely ill advised. But he's done it, so that's that. What should he be doing now?

Notverybright · 27/04/2020 12:44

But I think he's got his strengths and weaknesses, as history shows us all leaders do. Maybe not Trump. Trump is right about teenagers and vaping. That's about it I think.

The80sweregreat · 27/04/2020 12:46

I think other people will appear this week to start outlining the big plan to get the economy moving on. Nicola Sturgeon likes to get in first I've noticed ; once she gets a sniff of what Westminster is about I think she'll lay out their plan of action for Scotland.

I bet the government is aware this can't drag on now ; by early week there will be a push to get restrictions lifted quite a lot.
If they don't then I'm not sure what might happen!

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Ulver · 27/04/2020 12:46

Testing obviously.
Temperature tests, virus tests, quarantine for people flying into the country. All things that have worked elsewhere. We are six weeks into a pandemic and nurses and doctors are only now being offered tests.
People still arriving from all over the world with no checks.
It’s appalling.

chomalungma · 27/04/2020 12:46

What should he be doing now

Ensuring the resources are there for track and trace
Ensuring people can get a test if they have been told someone has been in contact with them who has a confirmed case of Covid-19
Ensuring PPE is available
Ensuring that the money is there for any further furloughing
Working with the Opposition
Making things more public about the scientific thinking

CendrillonSings · 27/04/2020 12:47

I hope someone asks him if he regrets that comment on shaking hands.

Imagine getting your hopes up about some vacuous gotcha question... Wink

Changeofname79 · 27/04/2020 12:47

I don't understand why people are so desperate for a 'plan'. There is no clear plan, if the government announced it and then had to deviate from it by a millisecond then this would be wrong, they cannot win either way.

It was announced that Italy is opening construction sites, wholesale businesses and factories on 4th May, along with public parks (still with social distancing measures in place), two weeks after retail shops, libraries, museums and art exhibitions can reopen and professional sports teams can resume training then on 1st June if all goes ok restaurants, cafes, barber shops and hair salons will open. Schools shut until September apparently. I don't know if they announced this before today but it was reported around midnight, any other reports prior to this were pretty vague with no real plans.

I would imagine we will do something similar? They have only just announced this so it could be that in 3 or 4 weeks after them could be us? (if it works for them that is)

chomalungma · 27/04/2020 12:48

It's appalling that it got so far. We could see it coming. We knew what countries like South Korea were doing.

It has taken us far too long to ramp up the testing.

chomalungma · 27/04/2020 12:49

Imagine getting your hopes up about some vacuous gotcha question

I am sure someone will. At some time.

Hopefully Piers Morgan - but we all know that 'Our great Leader' is too much of a coward to appear on GMB.

Changeofname79 · 27/04/2020 12:50

I thought the furlough scheme has been announced till end June, surely that's enough for now. Presumably it will be extended if need be.

There is definitely more testing going on, my NDN works on the frontline NHS, had symptoms so was off work, both him and his wife (SAHM) were both given tests before he was able to return to work.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 27/04/2020 12:51

South Korea?

FFS! Do we really have to keep doing that?

Given that we don't have the same history with epidemics, nor the same kind of social obedience to our government, we were never going to have the same strategy.

What should we be doing that is actually possible?

Remembering we don't make the constituent parts of PPE, tests etc.

And that we need to be balancing the economic needs or the country with the needs of the individual.

Realistically....

CendrillonSings · 27/04/2020 12:54

Hopefully Piers Morgan - but we all know that 'Our great Leader' is too much of a coward to appear on GMB.

I remember the famous occasion he avoided GMB - he won an 80-seat majority the very next day, so clearly the public doesn’t obsess about irrelevant minutiae the way some people on here imagine they do!

CuriousaboutSamphire · 27/04/2020 12:55

How were we to ramp up the testing any quicker?

The early tests lacked validity.

We don't make the constituent parts.

We, UK based laboratories designed tests that would be reliable and valid with the materials and equipment that is available.

We don't really have time travel

CendrillonSings · 27/04/2020 12:55

Now, now, enough of your facts and realism, CuriousaboutSamphire! That would get in the way of a truckload of pointless moaning, and we can’t have that! Grin

CuriousaboutSamphire · 27/04/2020 12:57

Oh, and Jennie Harries explained the reasons behind people coming in on flights... It is evidence based and doesn't waste those scarce resources just for show!

Ulver · 27/04/2020 12:59

The reason our response is so dire imo is that this govt started off with the Herd Immunity approach and have pretty much failed to successfully change direction from that. There is no effective leadership, there is a vacum in the heart of govt.
I’m reminded of the Trump press conference where a Journalist asked Trump what he did with his two week advance warning of the pandemic. The answer of course was nothing.
Same policy as Boris unfortunately and we can look to New Zealand and South Korea to see what effective dynamic leadership looks like instead of looking to the US for support.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 27/04/2020 12:59

Sorry Cendrillon

I'll take the dog for a walk and come back and tell you about all those murderers walking round a lake, enjoying themselves!

Or I may just bake some blueberry muffins. Cos I am the evil witch that still has flour!

BatleyTownswomensGuild · 27/04/2020 13:01

There's been much that has been botched thus far, but at least he is taking the risk of a second wave seriously - that's more than Trump is. Would be scared shitless if I was in the US right now.

The language he's using is a bit Churchillian 'the first phase' 'conflict' etc. Reminiscent of the 'not the beginning of the end but the end of the beginning' speech that Churchill made. Boris really wants to cast himself in that image...

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 27/04/2020 13:01

Also, as we are a little behind France, Italy and Spain, I suspect we are watching what's happening there as they ease lockdown and will base our easing on lessons learnt from their experiences in the next few weeks.

Are we still two weeks behind? We went for half arsed lockdown so I would have thought our numbers will be falling slower. Not that we know what our numbers actually are.

Ulver · 27/04/2020 13:01

The reason our laboratories are in such dire shape is due to austerity.
Yes it’s a great idea to run your medical and scientific resources into the ground while being consistently warned of an imminent pandemic.

millymae · 27/04/2020 13:02

Why do we all need to know now though?

I am no fan of Mr Johnson but I agree that had he just sidled back to work without showing his face then he would have been pilloried for that, so in many ways he couldn’t win whatever if he did. The fact that he’s appeared in typical ‘Boris’ fashion, and told us nothing we don’t already know shouldn’t be a surprise. He’s got nothing to tell.

The general situation may well be improving slowly, but I don’t think I’m alone in doubting a lot of what we have been told and the excuses we are being peddled for data not being available, PPE being in short supply etc etc. I would have far more respect for the politicians if they simply held their hands up and apologised instead of spinning us all some convoluted tale. I can’t get my head around the fact that they managed to get manpower together to build new hospitals, yet couldn’t do the same to collect data from Nursing Homes etc. Call me a cynic but it simply wasn’t in their interest to do this.

I can’t have been the only one who read somewhere (and it wasn’t the Mail, because I don’t read it) that one particular government adviser (and friend of Mr Johnson) had put forward the proposition that as the elderly were nearing the end of their lives resources needed to deal with the pandemic could not be wasted on them. Although unpalatable, the logic in this is perhaps understandable, and to me I think this is why this particular sector was initially left to sink or swim and resources were put in to the NHS. Hence the government’s unwillingness to publicise the number of deaths taking place in community - it would have reflected very badly on it’s handling of the situation.
I get the impression that the country’s initial willingness to comply with lockdown took the government by surprise and that whilst the building of the new hospitals was an amazing feat, in truth unless the pandemic worsens in the future it has been a colossal waste of money that could have been better used to make the situation safer for the staff and residents being cared for in nursing and residential homes and in the wider community. Yes you can argue that the government made the decisions it did in good faith and no doubt based on the science, and that with the benefit of hindsight a lot of us would do things differently, but to my way of thinking they could and definitely should have got their act together more quickly.
Another Issue I have is that in every press briefing, praise is heeped on the public for its compliance with lockdown. This was fine in the early weeks, but now when people are demanding a timetable for ending lock down surely the time has come for the government to call out those that are taking no notice and spell out in words of one syllable the consequences of non compliance. Surely all those who are complying don’t need their egos massaged in this way every day.

Not sure what I’m saying here - just a random collection of thoughts really. I’m not too bothered at the minute about how we will be coming out of lockdown. At the end of the day unless we are prepared to flout the rules we’ll all have no choice but just to go with the flow.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 27/04/2020 13:03

Oh God! Not again!

Herd immunity - real thing. The world relies on it for many viruses, or spend years and vast amounts of money on vaccine research.

South Korea and New Zealand - outliers in typical responses, for a plethora not reasons

Vaccuum etc, emotive words and opinion. Nothing practical.

chomalungma · 27/04/2020 13:03

The early tests lacked validity

That's not true.

RT-PCR tests are very reliable.

You may be thinking about the antibody tests - which are different.

We, UK based laboratories designed tests that would be reliable and valid with the materials and equipment that is available

We have a lot of PCR machines - it took a long time for PHE to work with private labs to co-ordinate these and to get them on board.

We had plenty of time to use the RT-PCR test that worked well elsewhere.

Changeofname79 · 27/04/2020 13:04

@RafaIsTheKingOfClay I think we have always been more than 2 weeks behind Italy etc, I thought more 3 weeks or so?

chomalungma · 27/04/2020 13:05

Germany has done really well on its RT-PCR testing.

They also have Angela Merkel - who has a strong science backgound - so that must have helped.