Would you have said no as well?

[XylophoneSymphony]

Delivery driver today visibly uncomfortable in some way asked to use our toilet - I felt bad but had to say no as apart from the CV risk currently i wasn’t sure if he may have had a bad stomach? I have young dc who aren’t well so can’t risk it.
I felt bad after but I think anyone at this time would have said no wouldn’t they

I am not sure at all the angst here, from either side - in 'normal' times very few people would let someone use their loo so now is no different.

I would let someone use mine, they would have no need to go through my house, I have already had an emergency plumber in, I would be happy enough for someone to use the loo if needed.

That is my decision to make within the set up in my home.

I'd have said no, and wouldn't have felt a micro seconds guilt either 🤷‍♀️

How can you refuse someone your toilet? How do you think they manage throughout the day? Hopefully he didn't then shit himself in the van. Can you imagine being refused the toilet? The most basic of human rights? Also it's illegal to refuse delivery drivers the toilet. It's there for shitting and weeing.

It isn't illegal to refuse delivery drivers the toilet in your own home. Can you imagine that they just rock up to any house and demand entry lol.

I don't think I have EVER felt as frustrated at a thread as this.

People are dying.
You don't let people into your house for ANY reason at the moment.

You don't let people into your house for ANY reason at the moment.

Yes you can. Emergency repairs and providing care to just give some examples.

Or should we let Mrs Smith lie forever in her bed in the freezing cold because the boiler has broken and the carers can't go in.

It's not illegal to refuse delivery drivers access to the toilet in a domestic setting.

Can you imagine?

People are thinking of regulations relating to non-domestic premises.

Honestly, spreading this sort of disinformation puts vulnerable people at risk if they feel coerced by a fear they would be breaking the law to refuse access because they're uncomfortable. Stop it.

@TheGreatWave

You're right, of course there are going to be times when it's unavoidable. Mrs Smith can have her carers in and her boiler fixed. Risk v gain.

I would rather risk the delivery man shitting himself that the risk of him coming into my home.

But I am ok with this (in this totally hypothetical situation) Come in my side door, walk the half a dozen paces to the bathroom and go in. Minimal contact with household members, minimal contact with the house.

I don’t think you should feel badly about saying no. It’s a very personal choice and you have others to protect.

I have allowed this in the past when I lived alone and would normally regardless of the person’s gender, as long as I felt safe.

I would definitely say no currently if I had vulnerable people in my house, or if I myself was vulnerable.

@Peppafrig It is in my home country. Not only do you have to provide loo roll and access to soap and water, but provide a choice of reading material too.

That's not the case for the OP, though, Great. She stated she had two unwell children in the house and the only bathroom is upstairs in the house. It wasn't an emergency repairman.

And LOL turn at it's being illegal to not let some random into your home to use your loo. Who gave you that nonsense idea?

I have already acknowledged that my house set up means this is easier. I have also said that people do, people don't, it is up to them.

That post was in answer to someone having absolute horrors at the thought that I might let someone do it, I was simply explaining in my house how it was possible to keep it fairly low risk.

It's a human right to be able to go to the toilet, so maybe illegal was the wrong use of language; I should've said immoral to not let someone use the bathroom. And letting them shit themselves? What sort of an arsehole thinks that's ok?

It's a lockdown, turn, you are not supposed to allow ANYONE who is not a member of your household into your home unless it's for emergency repair or healthcare professionals. The OP was in the house with two unwell children, her loo is upstairs, it's downright stupid to allow a random stranger into your home in that setting, much less to go and clean up his shit when people can transmit a potentially lethal virus via bodily fluids and surfaces. But hey, why not sign your home up as a public toilet (there are apps for this) so you can allow randoms to exercise their human right.

I only have the one so would have said no.

I would say no at the moment, yes.

Our downstairs toilet is out of action so we've only got the upstairs toilet at the moment but I would have still said yes. The poor bloke must have been very embarrassed and really desperate ask.

Under normal circumstance, I wouldn't think twice about it. Under the current situation, I'd just make sure that we kept at least 2 metres away from each other and would disinfect the banisters and bathroom afterwards.

I've been very taking social distancing seriously and following the rules but wouldn't have the heart to say no.

I would have said yes as we have a downstairs loo

turn "maybe illegal was the wrong use of language"?

Pull the other one. You wanted people to think they were committing a criminal act by refusing use of their toilet.

It is not a human right to use any toilet in any residence, either.

Honestly, just say "my mistake" if it really was one.

Incidentally, human rights relate to the rights you have to be treated a particular way by public bodies, not by Joan at number 67.

That's not how human rights work. Individuals are included as well as bodies or organisations. I'm not going to change my mind that people who say no are arseholes I'm afraid. If that applies to you, that's your problem.

I'd have let him use my toilet without hesitation.

tbh I would have said yes. I am a martyr to my bladder so can well understand and it is not as if the roads are full of public conveniences, is it?

Whether he poos or wees you can always bleach/disinfect, swab down when he has gone.

turn you are perfectly entitled to think I'm an arsehole because I would refuse access to my household loo to a stranger during a pandemic; I assure you I will not lose a moment's sleep over it and would much rather that than try to explain to family that I felt a grown man's bowel movement was more important than their health and lives.

In ordinary circumstances, reasonable people will differ as to whether they feel comfortable opening their home to a stranger to use the bathroom based on their prior experiences (see the poster below who was sexually assaulted by a prospective buyer of her house as an example), current circumstance and other values. That's fine - you make your own risk assessments.

What I think is despicable is your apparently deliberate misrepresentation of the law to try to make people believe that they are obliged to allow any Tom, Dick or Harry into their homes to relieve themselves. They are not, either under the specific legislation alluded to re delivery drivers or the Human Rights Act, which does in fact only apply to public bodies (or bodies performing public functions) - please see here if you are confused www.equalityhumanrights.com/en/advice-and-guidance/who-does-human-rights-act-apply. If you think there is in fact a law requiring this, I would be fascinated to see it - please do provide.

The fact that you personally think it is a moral right to use Joan at number 67's loo counts for naff all as far as other people's perfectly legal decisions to disallow access to their homes.