Pavement parking Ban.

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How would you be affected if there was a blanket ban on all pavement parking.

I'm not just talking about the inability to get a pram or wheelchair passed but a complete ban on any car on the pavement at all.

Shall I tell you what I’d do if I lived in a terraced street with no parking other than on the pavement? I wouldn’t have a car. Like most Londoners, you’ll find (note, I don’t live in London). Nor would I buy a house far away from public transport if it meant that I had to block a pavement with my car. That’s considerate, not ‘arguing from a place of privilege’. But that assumes everyone has that level of agency and can afford to buy (or even, god forbid, rent) in a perfect situation. That is indeed a place of privilege!

Our road (London) would be impassable if people didn’t park on the pavement. Luckily, it’s very quiet and pedestrians often walk down the middle of the road instead.

Our road (London) would be impassable if people didn’t park on the pavement. Luckily, it’s very quiet and pedestrians often walk down the middle of the road instead.

Utterly selfish. How do blind people manage? Obviously you don't care.

I would support this. We need to change our mentality of giving priority to cars over pedestrians and cyclists.

SO WHAT DO YOU SUGGEST WHEELCHAIR USERS DO WHEN A CAR BLOCKS THE PAVEMENT AND THEY CAN'T GET PASS???????

I would support it 100%. Pavements are for people. They are already cluttered up with necessary stuff like bins, lampposts, bus stops, post boxes, parking meters, as well as those random pick-up-and-drop bikes, overhanging hedges, etc.

SO WHAT DO YOU SUGGEST WHEELCHAIR USERS DO WHEN A CAR BLOCKS THE PAVEMENT AND THEY CAN'T GET PASS??????? ROund here? Use the other side of the road! Blind people too. Where it is a common, has been formalised, then everyone is obliged to adjust to the realities of the situation.

I would support this. We need to change our mentality of giving priority to cars over pedestrians and cyclists.

The problem is car drivers out vote number pedestrians and cyclists.

SO WHAT DO YOU SUGGEST WHEELCHAIR USERS DO WHEN A CAR BLOCKS THE PAVEMENT AND THEY CAN'T GET PASS???????

ROund here? Use the other side of the road!

I'll be as polite as possible in telling you that, respectfully, that's not really a useful - nor empathetic - response. If DW came across a car blocking her way on the pavement, the only fucking hope she would have to "use the other side of the road" would be to find a dropped kerb into the road that isn't blocked. If she couldn't, then it's back to the house and another day of "out of sight out of mind".

Even if she could, it can add an extra half mile to a journey. And even then, what if there's another car on "the other side of the road" and she has to repeat the performance. All the time suffering the crippling fatigue that MS brings.

Please don't come back with such a facile insulting comment again, unless you really want to stand out as a bit of a twit.

It's relatively easy to push a pram across a road - even with a kerb there. It's practically impossible to do the same for a wheelchair unless there's a dropped kerb. People say "pushchairs and wheelchairs" as if they are somehow "the same". They most certainly are not.

Much the same as @TwoZeroTwoZero round here

Large council estate, built in the 1920s as "Homes for Heroes" . Not many cars back then so they did not see the future . Road is too narrow so all cars have to be on the pavement and there are little white dots to show each spot (though a lot of faded with time).
I have no idea how far away drivers would need to go to park.

@DGRossetti thank you. I am so fed up with the blinkered "can pass with care" type of othering.

I've said this before, I'm genuinely happy to lose my pavement parking space if (a) the council remunerate me for a useless bit of land that I maintain currently and (b) it will mean any cars parking outside my house will be on the road.

This of course would, in turn, mean the only pavement that does go the length of our road would be then partially blocked.

I would absolutely welcome measures to ensure a pavement is never blocked - a blunt instrument isn't the way to do this.

purdeypuma below is from the highway code WRT parking. It may not be illegal to park on the bend outside your sister's house but if an incident occurs as a result, you could be held responsible.
From gov.uk website (not complete as it's quite long.....)

DO NOT stop or park:

• near a school entrance
• anywhere you would prevent access for Emergency Services
• opposite or within 10 metres (32 feet) of a junction, except in an authorised parking space
• near the brow of a hill or hump bridge
• where the kerb has been lowered to help wheelchair users and powered mobility vehicles
• in front of an entrance to a property
• on a bend

AND on the pavement anywhere in London unless it's marked up for parking.

I simply can’t see that this can happen. There are millions of cars every day parked on pavements across the uk with no way of parking on the road as it’s simply not wide enough. I can’t see any possible answer to this

During the school run here drivers parked on pavements receive tickets. It used to be just the PCSOs on a sort of rota. But now there is a police website where members of the public can upload illegally parked vehicles and fines follow in the post.

Simple enough to expand that. Car on the pavement outside your house? Take its photo and upload it every single time. They will soon get fed up of paying.

Simple enough to expand that. Car on the pavement outside your house? Take its photo and upload it every single time. They will soon get fed up of paying

It would probably work if you were the houseowner - I think that's a good idea.

It wouldn't work if randoms could send pictures in - I appreciate I am in an unusual situation (although the next door house are the same) but it is going to be ridiculously time consuming to have to appeal parking on my own land!

But that assumes everyone has that level of agency and can afford to buy (or even, god forbid, rent) in a perfect situation. That is indeed a place of privilege!

In Japan when you buy a car and register it with the police, you have to provide proof (shako shōmei) of a parking space. If you have on site parking, you have to provide a diagram of the space. That space can't be more than 150 meters from your house. Generally speaking, you can't park of the street.

No space, no car.

Utterly selfish. How do blind people manage? Obviously you don't care.

Hahaha! Nonsense. My daughter’s a wheelchair user, so I’m pretty aware of how parking affects people with disabilities. But our road is very quiet and really only used by people who live here, who park outside their own houses.

@PhoneLock but of a difference between Japan and here.

Again. There are whole towns in the welsh valley with almost no residential parking. None at all.
Rows and rows of terraced housing built long before people owned cars.

There is no employment there. Public transport is a joke and most people need to go to Cardiff or Swansea for their work.

So what are they supposed to do?

I simply can’t see that this can happen. There are millions of cars every day parked on pavements across the uk with no way of parking on the road as it’s simply not wide enough. I can’t see any possible answer to this

^^this! I get it's problematic. But where are all these cars going to go 🤷🏾‍♀️

Perhaps the local councils need to step in and create more residents' car parks in areas where there is no parking.

My grandfather lived in a terraced house but kept his car in a rented garage up the road.

Perhaps the local councils need to step in and create more residents' car parks in areas where there is no parking

How? Or can they suddenly magic up the land and resources when they’re stretched to breaking point already?

How? Again I use the welsh valleys because that's what I'm familiar with.

They're up bloody mountains and a lot of the green space is actually hollow because of mines.

It’s not possible to make more space for all these cars which is why I’d bet my bottom dollar that this never ever happens.

Where I live, some properties are not allowed to have a car at all. There is no off street parking, all housing is terraced, and most residents have to buy permits to park. But some properties have no right to park associated with them at all. These properties are cheaper to buy/rent. The council also offers incentives for residents with permits to give up their permits. I’m in an area with good public transport, though. Car clubs are big where I am too. I hardly know anyone with a car.