Pavement parking Ban.

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How would you be affected if there was a blanket ban on all pavement parking.

I'm not just talking about the inability to get a pram or wheelchair passed but a complete ban on any car on the pavement at all.

Pavement parking knackers the pavements and edging stones so causes a lot of unnecessary expense in repairs and also increases trip hazards etc.

If they're serious about allowing parking on pavements due to narrow roads/wide pavement scenarios, then they should do the job properly and build parking bays etc.

I've no doubt lots of people have justification for parking on pavements, but FAR too many do it when the road is actually wide enough to park properly and FAR too many completely block the pavement (with the sod pedestrians attitude).

The majority of streets in my area are terraces where people park on the pavement, I’m talking hundreds of households. Where would they park if there was a blanket ban? The local council would have to implement a 24 hour park and ride for them.

The rule of thumb should be enough space on the pavement for a double buggy to get past and enough space on the road for a fire engine.

Yes please, be brilliant.

I would love this, ds who is now 12 had his arm broken when he was 5 by tripping over a kerb which had been damaged by people parking on the pavement.
The council fixed it immediately and he retains the right to sue them for negligence for 6 years after he turns 18, which he is contemplating as the injury didn't heal correctly and his arm is crooked.
Banning or punishing pavement parking would be in the interests of public safety and remove the burden of responsibility from the council for others' mistakes.

lemontree and from cycling across the road on zebra/pedestrian crossings!
Seen many near misses with cyclists barreling through a crowd of pedestrians who are crossing the road completely legally.
While the cyclists, already illegally on the pavement, use zebra crossings to continue their illegal pavement use.
So dangerous, especially in London where masses of people use the pedestrian crossings at the same time
But London cyclists seem to be total arseholes a law unto themselves.

Excellent idea! As long as they also mark out where you are allowed to park on the pavement. This is necessary because too many people are too stupid/arrogant/lazy to work it out for themselves. They'd better be ready to enforce it too, or it will be a waste of money.

Why the fuck would you park a car on a pavement unless you are looking to get it keyed for blocking some poor bugger trying to get past on the pavement

I agree on paper but the practicalities wouldn't work.
Houses with off street parking would shoot up in price while those without would plummet, so people would end up trying to move en mass, leaving large areas with no money.
The car and petrol industry would suffer which means people's jobs would be at risk (more so than currently).
We would lose large areas of green land to make space for yet more carparks

I don't know what the answer is, but I can't see this working at all

It would need to be combined with some better parking solutions and better public transport so more could do without a car. Can't see that happening.

Sorry to derail, I completely agree about pavement parking. Why does a driver's right to park on the pavement take precedence over pedestrians' rights to walk safely on them?
Not just wheelchair users, or people pushing Infants in buggies, but families with young children walking together or older people who might need a stick or just a bit more space.
The point about cars doing damage and subsequent trip and fall injuries is also very pertinent.

OP can you point to the source of these proposals? Something a bit more concrete than "apparently they're looking at bringing it in" so we can actually read it for ourselves...

Pavements here are as wide as the road. Would cause traffic issues

Same where I live. The danger on our pavements is from people cycling on them. Many’s the time I’ve nearly been mown down as I step out of the front door.

Wonderful for people you are visually impaired.

I would be very much in favour.

I was forever having problems with my twins pushchair when they were babies. Generally no alternative but to go on the road which could sometimes be a busy main road.

@ManlyMenAreWe The TV show on parking fines I was watching this morning on BBC while stuck under a sleeping baby. Can't remember which one. Before 12ish.

I don't see the problem with parking on the pavement if the road is narrow but the pavement is wide. Surely it depends on how wide each is?

I find it comical that the problem is being framed as, “If people can’t park on the pavement, emergency vehicles won’t be able to get down the road!” Vs “when people park on the pavement pedestrians, wheelchair users and buggies can’t use the pavement”.

How come the groups having to make the concessions in this scenario are the pavement users or the emergency services? Surely it is obvious that the bloody cars are the problem to be tackled.

As for, “what about the jobs in the petrol industry”, “but the green spaces will be paved over for car parks” and “people will desert streets with no parking, leaving ghost towns”: give me strength.

I read a thread on here a while back where some idiot was moaning that her local council had failed to plan properly and hadn’t put the right infrastructure in place for parking multiple cars where she lived. She lived in a Victorian terrace in a city. Yes, curse those Victorian aldermen, failing to anticipate the invention of the car and everybody’s belief, 150 years after the houses were built, that they have a divine right to own a car and park it right outside their front door.

But 150 years later people DO have cars. Many families have two.
The cat is out of the bag. And it's not going back in.

So people aren't going to get rid of their cars. Places like the welsh valleys don't have roads wide enough to accommodate any parking fully on the road for their cars and have absolutely no parking within miles. So they can't even park further away.
Public transport is just shit.
Again people in the welsh valleys usually have to commute to Cardiff or Swansea.

So what is the solution?

Everyone on my street has driveways to fit two cars and some have a garage at th back of their property. I have a crossing outside my house. People park on the crossing. I've sent photos to the council and nothing happened. I contacted the police and local PCSO turned up and said to me "well parking is a bit tight where else do you expect them to park?"

But 150 years later people DO have cars. Many families have two.

Well, that’s the point isn’t it? Parking is a problem that needs to be solved - and the solution is having fewer of them - but whinging that your local council failed to plan for your car ownership when your house was built in 1870 is a bit bloody stupid.

So no solution then. People are not going to get rid of their cars.

It's going to cost billions to restructure the residential places in the UK.

I can't see the change being put in.

It's daft to suggest that we just need fewer cars. Many rely on them for work let alone basic things like doing a food shop. Small towns don't offer the same opportunities now that they used to either, so we all can't just work in our local town.

It'd be amazing around here. The number of arguments with people trying to justify why it's OK to block the pavement and park next to junctions, blocking lines of sight is unreal.

Surely it is obvious that the bloody cars are the problem to be tackled.

The trouble is cars are not going to magically disappear. People need cars to drive to work for example. No government is going to focus on upgrading public transport infrastructure and until they do people still need their cars and consequently they need somewhere to park them and in lots of places thats simply not possible without parking partially on the pavement.

I’d support it 100%.

Pavements are for pedestrians. Not for people who can’t ride their bikes on the road or cars who think it’s a car park.