Pavement parking Ban.

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How would you be affected if there was a blanket ban on all pavement parking.

I'm not just talking about the inability to get a pram or wheelchair passed but a complete ban on any car on the pavement at all.

And why is it my job to find a way for people to get down the street when I'm not breaking the law?

Maybe you should tell that to the next wheelchair user who can’t get past your car because you’ve blocked the pavement?

In most cases where people park on pavements, surely its 2 wheels only and not blocking the way for buggies or wheelchairs. That’s the answer surely? Still have wheels on pavements but leave enough room for people?! That’s what happens in the area I live

Well if I'm not breaking the law. And not obstructing the pavement it's not my problem.

If you’re not breaking the law and not obstructing the pavement then surely it’s no ones problem op. Win win?

And why is it my job to find a way for people to get down the street when I'm not breaking the law?

I can just see you lying on the pavement perpendicular to the road, preventing buggies and wheelchairs from using the pavement and snarling, “I’m not breaking the law, OK? What are you going to do about it? It’s all Thatcher’s fault!”

Yea...that exactly right.

And once again you offer no solution. I've said. The country needs massive infrastructure renewal.

Otherwise there is nothing that can be done.

I live in a busy city with a terrible infrastructure. Public transport is average at best and parking is horrific. There are no public places to park, residents parking for 3/4 of the city which puts pressure on everywhere else that isn't.

There are no other places to park other than in and around your street, rows and rows of terrace housing with no driveways so pretty your street or those surrounding are the only options.

Our street is ok as is one way and wide enough for emergency vehicles. My parents road however isnt and before the residents parked on the pavements each side a fire engine could not get down the street and it had to wait in an emergency for cars to be moved (incl those whose owners were not answering the door). After that all residents were written to and told to park on the pavement. They are all really considerate and just put the minimum up on the kerb that they need to so people can still get down the pavement.

I am not sure what else they can do. Emergency vehicles getting access is more important than pedestrians getting easy access past cars IMO but obv it is not ideal. Fortunately in this case my parents road is not a through road but they arent the only example in our city.

I would support 100% a ban

And once again you offer no solution.

Once again, it’s not my fault that selfish people choose to block pavements with cars. The solution is obvious and has been spelled out several times on this thread by several posters. Don’t park on the pavement because it’s selfish, disadvantages groups who have special needs and contravenes the Highway Code.

What’s been interesting on this thread is the level of whataboutery and the fact that every poster who parks on pavements (1) seems to think that he or she is a special case (2) blames everybody else for their self-centred decisions.

@happy0 that's great but how would you resolve the problems I and others have mentioned. If there is no way to widen the roads then how would this work.

@Iamthewombat I have posted about parking on the pavements and do not come into these categories. The advice came from the council and emergency services. It is of no benefit to the residents to have to park partially on the pavements, the opposite in fact for a number of reasons however they do so to NOT be selfish and to think of others.

What’s been interesting on this thread is the level of whataboutery and the fact that every poster who parks on pavements (1) seems to think that he or she is a special case (2) blames everybody else for their self-centred decisions

Some cases are individual. It’s facile to suggest otherwise

@Iamthewombat sorry that sounded really shitty in tone, not intended that way, genuinely interested in peoples thoughts.

@Iamthewombat it's not selfish.
It doesn't always contravene the Highway Code actually.

My parents road however isnt and before the residents parked on the pavements each side a fire engine could not get down the street and it had to wait in an emergency for cars to be moved (incl those whose owners were not answering the door).

Again, why are you presenting it as a choice between the emergency services and pavement users? Both of those groups’ needs are more important than the needs of cars.

The residents of your parents’ road were too selfish to see that they were blocking fire engine access with their cars before the council (apparently) suggested that they park on pavements. If your local council had had a backbone they would have painted double yellows down one side of the road.

Pavement parking is illegal. It just isn’t enforced because councils don’t have the resources to implement. Same as littering/dog poo leavers.

Carry on, OP, we live in a world of people not giving a crap about how they might affect others.

Some cases are individual. It’s facile to suggest otherwise

Your repeated references to your ownership of the not-quite-pavement outside your house are the epitome of whataboutery and actually are not relevant to the thread, which is about public pavements being blocked by selfishly-parked cars.

it's not selfish.

You think that blocking a pavement with your car and preventing wheelchair users, partially-sighted people and parents with buggies from walking on the pavement isn’t selfish.

I’m not surprised. You have told us repeatedly on this thread that you consider your own wishes to be paramount and that you don’t care about other people. Thanks for reiterating it.

@iamwombat that is absolutely ridiculous. It is not necessarily obvious a fire engine couldnt get down there. I think you are entirely wrong in what you have said, there is no other option but to park in their street but obviously you know best and have seen every street and understand every scenario possible.

And yes a fire engine access does trump ANY pedestrian as they are potentially attending to a fire that could cause a loss of many lives.

In any case, there is enough room for a wheelchair to get along the pavement relatively easily so your arguement is void in this instance however let's just hope no one you know lives down a narrow street and all the wonderfully unselfish residents have parked in the street and the emergency vehicle they require cant get down but at least you can wander down the street with a pram comfortably.

@Iamthewombat are you seriously suggesting I have made up that the council told the residents that. How bloody dare you. What benefit is that to me. I dont need to park on the pavement in my street as it's big enough. I could ask my parents for a copy if you'd like and I'll send it over

And your selfish for thinking that every household can easily function without a car and must do so on the off chance they may inconvenience someone.
Majority wins. The people with cars are the majority.

let's just hope no one you know lives down a narrow street and all the wonderfully unselfish residents have parked in the street and the emergency vehicle they require cant get down but at least you can wander down the street with a pram comfortably

Once more, the street is overcrowded because of cars. Not pedestrians or emergency service vehicles. Neither of those groups need to compromise. The cars do.

No they really really don't. Because if they're not breaking the law. They don't have a problem.

that is absolutely ridiculous. It is not necessarily obvious a fire engine couldnt get down there. I think you are entirely wrong in what you have said

Is this you being ‘genuinely interested in other people’s thoughts’?

The road I grew up on has pavements wide enough to allow a car to be parked on them completely, and still allow three pedestrians to walk next to each other. Banning people from parking there would cause all sorts of traffic issues on that road!