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Caroline Flack found dead

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LittleScottish · 15/02/2020 17:39

Poor, poor woman...

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Dustarr73 · 17/02/2020 11:32

@SpanishFly,you can't compare Ant and Philip.There was no DV on their "crimes".I'm not diissmssing Ant and his drunk driving. But Caroline was to be taken to trial over a serious incidence,don't forget that.

maggieryan · 17/02/2020 11:36

Poor woman is dead. She could be your sister, friend, cousin. Lets stop all the gossiping about her. May she rest in peace.

WatcherintheRye · 17/02/2020 11:43

I don't think that her being guilty makes it any less sad that she has died

She wasn't guilty. The trial hadn't even taken place.

Alsohuman · 17/02/2020 12:06

The understanding of the British justice system is woeful. Innocent until proved guilty.

lynsey91 · 17/02/2020 12:21

I think it is very sad that Caroline has died. I don't get though why she has suddenly become a saint in most peoples' view.

She was due to go to Court on a pretty serious charge and the CPS would not be pursuing it if they didn't feel they had a pretty good case.

I have signed the petition about the British press because I do think the way they hound people and keep printing supposed stories about them is out of order. Surely with a Court case pending there should not have been all the stories about Caroline?

We don't know what the final straw for Caroline was. I don't though think the police or CPS should be taking any blame for her death. The press and social media however should to an extent.

Look at how the papers have treated Meghan and, more recently, Harry. The horrible comments made by Piers Morgan. We all know Harry is fragile and suffers from mental health problems and Meghan may possibly too.

When Piers said Harry should "man up as he is not 12 any more" I literally felt sick.

I just hope the posters who are angry at comments on mumsnet, facebook, in the press etc are not themselves making the vile comments about Harry and Meghan which are to be found everywhere

MrsJemimaDuck · 17/02/2020 12:35

I think all of this is completely spot on.

I also think that somehow, there is a sort of grief that happens when someone—in your life or a celebrity—turns out to be not who you thought they were. Caroline seemed fun, vivacious, supportive, full of life. But she also fit your perfectly accurate character profile. If she had had help, maybe she would have been able to avoid the destructive behavior. And I think she probably “became” the way you describe her. We mourn who she was...and who she could have been instead. Because she was a complex person with many redeeming attributes.

DenimDrift · 17/02/2020 12:43

@mrsjemimapuddleduck. maybe she did have help in place, we don't know. we do know she had friends around her with her majority of the time though. so she had support there

Nirvana1979 · 17/02/2020 12:45

30 odd pages of speculation.
No one knows every single fact in CF case.
Its irrelevant now anyway. Some people are like a dog with a bone, still hounding her and going out of their way to vilify her even in death. Not one single person has the true facts. Let her RIP. Some people should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves.

SpanishFly · 17/02/2020 12:49

@Dustarr73 I'm not forgetting it at all. But ant was in a terrible place and clearly falling apart at the seams. They supported him - despite him drink driving and being in an accident as a result; and despite the bad press - yet Caroline was also clearly falling apart at the seams for some time; and ITV didnt appear to do much to help or support her. The trial had never gone to court, innocent until proven guilty and all that; and it has been said that most of the blood that night was hers due to self harm.
Phillip has had lots and lots of rumours swirling about what he has been up to for years, yet either he or ITV have lawyers literally shutting down every mention of it online.

bobstersmum · 17/02/2020 12:50

@Nirvana1979 totally agree. Even the gutter press aren't saying the things being said here.

MrsJemimaDuck · 17/02/2020 13:00

@DenimDrift. You’re right—clearly she had support. So many layers of sadness.

FrippEnos · 17/02/2020 13:04

bobstersmum

yup, no papers have accused him of causing this, unlike some posters.

GabsAlot · 17/02/2020 13:32

How did itv support ant and not caroline-all we know is he stepped down for a year from presenting as did caroline

Holdingtherope · 17/02/2020 13:33

So much speculation

TheMaskedTulip · 17/02/2020 13:42

“ 30 odd pages of speculation.
No one knows every single fact in CF case.
Its irrelevant now anyway. Some people are like a dog with a bone, still hounding her and going out of their way to vilify her even in death. Not one single person has the true facts. Let her RIP. Some people should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves.”

Complete and utter poppycock. The CPS are in full access to each and every single fact of this case and clearly believe that she has a case to answer. That people like you try to close down proper scrutiny of domestic abuse cases is utterly shameful.

bobstersmum · 17/02/2020 13:44

@TheMaskedTulip she's fucking dead! She obviously felt terrible shame and remorse to do what she ultimately did, let her rip!

Bluntness100 · 17/02/2020 13:47

To be fair to itv they have said they did offer Caroline support, as they did ant.

The bottom line is though, all you can do is offer, you cannot force someone to take that support.

I really don't think blaming an employer, or a program, the police, the cps, her boyfriend, or even the media, is on, it's clear Caroline was sadly very very unwell, her friends have said she was sinking deeper and deeper into her depression.

None of this means she was not offered support, and via many different routes, nor does it even mean she wasn't receiving it.

Depression is a terrible illness, one that can be fatal, but unless you section someone, it's impossible to force them to receive help. The depression pre dated the incident. She was on anti depressants prior to this.

I think people are just looking for someone to blame for what occurred, sadly though what occurred whilst in the depths of depression is not an isolated or unique occurance, even with the best of intentions and support from everyone around.

Sometimes it isn't someone's fault. Sometimes there is no one to blame. Sometimes it really is about a mental illness. And none of us know the total facts here.

That's why we should be more open about mental illness. Clinical Depression can be fatal, it can be a very serious illness, with thoughts of total hopelessness and suicide being two of it's possible symptoms.

notthisshitagain · 17/02/2020 13:48

@TheMaskedTulip. Don't be so obtuse. That poster was clearly referring to the posters on here - hence the comment about 30 pages of speculation - not the CPS.

NoSauce · 17/02/2020 13:49

@TheMaskedTulip she's fucking dead! She obviously felt terrible shame and remorse to do what she ultimately did, let her rip!

Unless you knew her you can’t know that. Stop guessing. Nobody knows the reasons she took her own life apart from the people she chose to tell.

MissEliza · 17/02/2020 13:59

@WatcherintheRye I didn't mean she was guilty. I think any guilt is irrelevant. I wish she'd been able to overcome her problems.

TheMaskedTulip · 17/02/2020 14:02

@notthisshitagain you are incorrect, the poster in question clearly stated that “its all irrelevant now.”

DV is never irrelevant. How shameful to close down this scrutiny.

notthisshitagain · 17/02/2020 14:07

@Bluntness100

Agreed. The amount of posts I've seen on FB over the last few days, urging people to be there for others, etc. One saying how sad that she had all these followers, so famous, yet no one she felt she could talk to...

I saw the same written about a local teenagers suicide recently too.

Fact is, if they didn't want to talk, there's nothing anyone could do about that.

augustusglupe · 17/02/2020 14:16

TheMaskedTulip Did they!? How do we know for a fact that he wasn’t verbally/psychologically abusive and she flipped!? Fact is...we don’t know anything and now never will.
I’m not blinkered or grieving because I believe that Caroline was perfect and without fault...None of us are btw
She was clearly very very depressed and thought killing herself was the only way out and now there’s no going back.
It’s a bloody devastating worse case scenario. As others have said, let her now rest in peace.

lynsey91 · 17/02/2020 14:17

I have to agree about the lack of help for mental illness in this country.

I have suffered depression for around 50 years. Thankfully, for me, it is not constant. I have had a few really bad periods of depression and during one tried to commit suicide.

My GP said I had not really wanted to die and it was only a cry for help which certainly was not true. She based this on the fact that I took an overdose and if I was serious I would have hung myself, jumped from a building or stepped in front of a train! Also that I didn't leave a note. Believe me I definitely wanted to die.

My DH insisted that I receive help and she got me an appointment at a mental health unit. At my first appointment, which I waited something like 6 weeks for, I was told they hadn't realised I had tried to commit suicide so they could not help me but would refer me somewhere else! I heard nothing for around 2 months and then receive a letter asking did I still want an appointment! I gave up

Nirvana1979 · 17/02/2020 14:23

@TheMaskedTulip i wasnt talking about the CPS speculating 🙄 I was talking about the people on this thread.

I also wasn't saying DV is irrelevant, how fucking ridiculous. I didn't say its ALL irrelvant now. CF case is irrelvant now, shes dead. Shes paid the ultimate price for whatever was going on in her life.

Is that simple enough for you to understand? Or shall i break it down further for you to dissect and pick arguements about?

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