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Caroline Flack found dead

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LittleScottish · 15/02/2020 17:39

Poor, poor woman...

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AuntieCedent · 16/02/2020 17:02

Jesy from Little Mix - all she did was exist and enter the X Factor. Trolled to the point of suicide

Vs

Dated minor as an adult and allegations of abuse by 2 ex partners, both a decade younger at least.

No comparison.

NoSharon · 16/02/2020 17:04

Her Majesty's CPI has forgotten one thing here now. Victims will now not ring 999 anymore. DV cases should be lead by the victim.
Silly advice, when they do nothing anyway apart from to harass you.

Dustarr73 · 16/02/2020 17:05

Hearhoovesthinkzebras

I think what you have written is spot on.Fame is a double edged sword.You live by it and you die by it.

Stilllivinghere · 16/02/2020 17:06

Did CF or HS ever confirm that they were in a relationship?

MimiLaRue · 16/02/2020 17:08

CF did yes-she talked about it in interviews

AuntieCedent · 16/02/2020 17:08

Yes it was confirmed as he was leaving her place in the morning. Both have spoken of their relationship and his mum wrote her a poem now she's dead.

AuntieCedent · 16/02/2020 17:09

She thought it was totally normal because she "feels 18" or something.

Bouledeneige · 16/02/2020 17:11

*NoSharon' - I dont understand. So you believe that if a woman fearing for her life is pressured to withdraw her complaint by her abusive partner no prosecution should be pursued? Really? So if he goes onto kill her thats okay and the police and CPS should be applauded for ignoring evidence of a violent attack because she was too scared to be a witness.

Hearhoovesthinkzebras · 16/02/2020 17:14

heatworld.com/celebrity/news/caroline-flack-got-called-peado-street/

This is the interview

CornforthWhite · 16/02/2020 17:22

The DV does need to be discussed at a later date and this shouldn’t removed from her story.
However I think that her boyfriends side of things should be heard before we all cast judgements. Hasn’t it been said that blood was hers and he denies she hit him with a lamp.
I get that DV victims can want to drop cases when it’s not appropriate and perpetrators should be prosecuted when enough evidence exists, but what we don’t know is whether she would have been convicted. I believe in innocent until proven guilty.
I think time will have to pass and that this whole sorry story will need to be revisited and that it will continue to be very painful for everyone involved.

NoSharon · 16/02/2020 17:23

In fairness, even last year, I wouldn't have known whether to place her in her 20's or 30's.

AuntieCedent · 16/02/2020 17:25

Looking young doesn't mean you are young.

NoSharon · 16/02/2020 17:30

She has that ageless look. Or had.

ShatnersWig · 16/02/2020 17:32

Cornforth In his 999 call he says she's cracked open his head. When the police arrived he said she'd hit him with a lamp. After she was charged he changed the story. Bit like battered women often do.

Horsemad · 16/02/2020 17:42

So did she or didn't she?
We'll probably never know but the police and CPS obviously thought the evidence to proceed was there.

Bouledeneige · 16/02/2020 17:45

The CPS will have had to come to a judgement that there was sufficient evidence to pursue the case without the victims evidence. This could include the recording of the phone call, behaviour and statements of both parties on their arrival at the premises (which may be caught on bodycams), forensic evidence - fingerprints and blood typing, other evidence including previous call-outs or victims (there are reports of a previous victim). Every charging decision is based on the same two-stage test in the code for crown prosecutors:

• Does the evidence provide a realistic prospect of conviction? That means, having heard the evidence, is a court more likely than not to find the defendant guilty? And:

• Is it in the public interest to prosecute? That means asking questions including how serious the offence is, the harm caused to the victim, the impact on communities and whether prosecution is a proportionate response.”

Its important women and men are treated equally when applying these tests.

Ramalamalama · 16/02/2020 17:50

FYI.

Caroline was bearding for Harry Styles, who was actually in a relationship with her flatmate.

Hearhoovesthinkzebras · 16/02/2020 17:51

What really concerns me about this case is the impact on future victims.

Just now, a friend of mine on Facebook has said that she doesn't believe the ex boyfriend because he withdrew his statement - how many other future victims will be too scared to report to police because they won't be believed if they withdraw?

FrippEnos · 16/02/2020 17:53

Ramalamalama

You may want to start that with

'it is rumoured that'

LuxDesignWish · 16/02/2020 17:56

I just feel there is a side to this we don't know. The police are not always right on their assessment of situations. I have had them arrive at a burglary and decide that I left a window unlocked when I 100% know I didn't as I am a "triple checker" and know I had checked that time. I then went on the get blame and abuse from my housemates (many many years ago). We know nothing about what happened. My gut tells me she was innocent and I feel very very sad for this situation.

FrippEnos · 16/02/2020 17:58

CornforthWhite

Which nit do you want to revisit?
His phone call and retraction, which is what many victims of DV do.

MurrayTheMonk · 16/02/2020 18:00

Her flatmate who was Nick Grimshaw....

MurrayTheMonk · 16/02/2020 18:00

Allegedly

CalmYoBadSelf · 16/02/2020 18:01

I'm sorry that she felt this was her only option but think the frenzy of blaming the newspapers, social media and the CPS is disingenuous. The suggestion that the CPS should not prosecute if a defendant is fragile is appalling, the law should apply to all evenly and many posters on here need to take a long hard think about why they think it acceptable that a woman should be treated as innocent when they would have a man condemned in the same circumstances

Hearhoovesthinkzebras · 16/02/2020 18:02

My gut tells me she was innocent

Oh well, if your gut says innocent then it must be so. Don't worry about forensic evidence, or witnesses, or police investigation.