Caroline Flack found dead

[LittleScottish]

Poor, poor woman...

@ClappyFlappy

Find the comment I was responding to and then you'll understand the context of mine.

nosharon yep. Just the same as if she was a man. Except the public wouldnt have been saying their was probably a good reason she did it if she was a man.

Its still very much socially acceptable to be violent as a woman imo.

What I hope people learn from this is that covering for your abusive partner damages them as well as the people abused.

I see it as a woman who was charged with a violent crime. Instead of just facing a court case, she had trial by media and trial by nasty ne'er do wells. Yes she fucked up. But she's dead now. Good work

I agree. I am not minimising abuse but she didn’t have the opportunity to face justice and then move on with her life the way other people in a similar situation do

I find it very disturbing the amount of celebrities, those with a public voice, who are trying to white wash from history what was occurring in this woman's private life. Like it they don't mention it then it wasn't true or it didn't matter.

Using it as a platform to attack the media/social media. Screaming they are to blame.

But Not using it as a platform to talk about mental health, depression or domestic violence. Simply using it to further their own interests.

Whatever role the media/social media played, the fact that Caroline suffered from severe depression, was facing a trial for an alleged violent assault, facing possible jail time and the end of her career, is clearly a major part of it,

For celebs to use it to bang their own drum, but ignore the huge issues of depression, mental health and domestic violence, is shameful in my view.

Yes I did @AuntieCedent. I don’t agree that “escaping” by suicide is “not much different” to also throwing a few murders into the mix.

Agreed @Bluntness100

I can think of cases of men who have killed themselves whilst awaiting trial. I can't think of any that have had such out pourings of sympathy.

It's really uncomfortable reading. Clearly she was in a dark place but no one made her assault her partner. And why all the "innocent until proven guilty"? I'm not seeing that on other threads about male celebrities.

Bluntness Very good post.

Agree 100% Bluntness100

Looking at my Facebook feed this morning and it's full of expressions of condolences. Not 1 mention of what she's been accused of. It's been totally airbrushed out.

My sympathies lie with her family but also her ex boyfriend - what will this do to him? I think posters sympathising with her would do well to consider the impact of their words on those people who are still here.

It's hard to have sympathy for someone who abuses others. It's sad that someone felt the only way out was suicide, but had she been a male accused of domestic abuse, I doubt we'd be feeling so sorry.

@SweetPetrichor I don't think you're feeling sorry for anyone here.

Caroline was charged with common assault, the lesser end of the assault charges. Maximum sentence would be six months imprisonment.

Is suicide a proportionate response to 'escape' that charge? She's given herself a death sentence for something that if she was found guilty would probably have all been over 12 months from now and she could start to rebuild her life. Why would she feel suicide is the only way out?

You people are relentless! Have none of you fucked up? I wish my life was so perfect.

There are some sobering facts in this matter that are being deliberately ignored in the outpouring of grief and blaming the press, online bullying and the CPS.

CF broke her bail conditions by contacting her ex and posting on social media about the case.

The evidence given in the magistrates court was sufficient for the case to be kicked up to the crown court, despite her bf having told the judge (I think it was a stipe rather than three laypeople mags?) that he no longer wanted to press charges.

Unlike many people charged with the same offence(s), CF had the money and means to get excellent legal representation and did not have to rely on a Duty Solicitor, whose quality of efficacy would have bern unknown.

For her management to call the trial a “show trial” is incredibly disrespectful. We all rely on the police and CPS to protect us and take reasonable action. Often they don’t or can’t take action. This was a time when they were, and CF’s legal team had the opportunity to fight it. We don’t know what advice they gave her. Maybe it was to plead guilty as her chances of being not convicted were remote. That could have been a big factor in her very tragic decision to end her life.

Btw I really feel for the poor, poor friend who’d gone to the shops at the time of CF’s suicide. That’s heartbreaking.

It is very sad that anyone has been crying out for help for years didnt receive it. It seems her family and friends were with her and were aware and she took an opportunity when she was on her own. It is sad and one hopes that the proper care and attention is with her (ex) boyfriend so that he too does not become another victim.

I feel very strongly CPS are not too blame - things such as this should never be taken into account when deciding when to prosecute. Imagine the amount of abusers who would called suicidal thoughts to try and get out of it. Neither should the victims decision be one either. In this case they clearly had enough evidence to go forward. A fact which cannot be ignored.

Why would she feel suicide is the only way out?

Just read the threads on here?

CF broke her bail conditions by contacting her ex and posting on social media about the case.

He contacted her.

Please sign the petition of you agree the media is going too far

www.change.org/p/uk-parliament-launch-government-inquiry-into-the-british-press-following-the-death-of-caroline-flack

RIP Caroline and thoughts are with her loved ones. It's a tragedy

NoSharon I've never slapped a partner, let alone bashed them over the head with a lamp while they slept. Frightened them enough that they rang 999 screaming that I was trying to kill them while I continued to scream abuse at them, not attack the police when they attended.

I guess it depends what your definition of fucking up is.

You people are relentless! Have none of you fucked up? I wish my life was so perfect.

Im not perfect but I've never assaulted anyone, committed any form of violence or dated a 17 year old when I was a grown woman.

He contacted her.

Maybe but that’s not the breach I’m referring to. The prosecutor said in the Mags hearing that CF had “immediately” breached her bail conditions by posting an Instagram photo and post saying she loved her BF the day or so after her arrest.

Yes that was the point I was alluding to NoSharon. There is something very disproportionate about her suicide to the charges she was facing.

There were some very good posts on the other thread. All gone because a few posters were determined to protest and derail. I read most of it as I was kept awake by storm Denis. I can't recall a single post that was offensive or spoke ill of the dead. It's quite mystifying.

I feel sorry for her boyfriend. He will probably have this on his shoulders for the rest of his life and constantly wonder what if. What if I didn't phone the police? What if I didn't contact her? I just hope he has people looking after him and he doesn't end up the same way.