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Caroline Flack found dead

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LittleScottish · 15/02/2020 17:39

Poor, poor woman...

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Noodlenosefraggle · 16/02/2020 08:11

Even if she was found guilty of assault (despite the Sun publishing photos of the crime scene and potentially jeopardising the trial) assault carries a maximum 6 months sentence. Dan Wooton in trying desperately to deflect blame said she cared what others said yet he and his paper took the piss out of her constantly. They will blame the cps because the tabloid press, reality tv showbiz agents and ITV have a symbiotic relationship.

Noodlenosefraggle · 16/02/2020 08:23

well done to some of the posters here who are blaming the press and fawning over her, because you are part of the problem. Placing the responsibility for this on the press is shifting the blame off her for what she did. I have no idea what her demons were, but this is no way a man would be fawned over like this had he been an abuser and left his victim with no justice - regardless of having dropped the charges
The responsibility for what she did is hers but she was clearly an unstable insecure woman with a history of depression, which she spoke publicly about. The press is being blamed for trying to blame the cps for her death. How could he have got justice if the case hadn't gone to trial? The press potentially jeopardised the trial and in all likelihood would have hounded her even more if the cps had dropped the charges. She in all probability would have got a rehabilitation order. The press are now saying she shouldn't have been charged even though they sensationalised her case, hounded her outside court, published photos inside the crime scene of bloodstained sheets and found her guilty before her trial.

Oliversmumsarmy · 16/02/2020 08:34

I could never understand why she was charged if charges by the bf were dropped.

Take the fame out if it and reverse the roles. Do cases go forward for trial when the injured party drop the charges or refuse to prosecute

tabletray · 16/02/2020 08:35

Take the fame out if it and reverse the roles. Do cases go forward for trial when the injured party drop the charges or refuse to prosecute

Yes. Quite often they do.

Bluntness100 · 16/02/2020 08:39

I could never understand why she was charged if charges by the bf were dropped

It's not up to the victim to oress charges if the police are called to the scene and have enough evidence the pursue prosecution based on what they witnessed. That's their job. They have to do it.

Can you imagine if we lived in a world where it was up to the victim and the police would just walk away if they said don't press charges? The implications of that? To domestic abuse victims on?

This was not a prosecution that relied on his statement. This was a prosecution based on police evidence from when they and the paramedics were called to the scene.

BobbyBlueCat · 16/02/2020 08:43

@Oliversmumsarmy

Yes. Daily.

Because so many genuine DV victims withdraw statements, refuse to co-operate with Police and end up back with abusers, the 'victimless prosecution' was brought in for cases where Police and CPS believe that the victim is in danger of serious harm and they have enough seperate evidence to prosecute without the backing of the victim.
There has to be seperate evidence to the victim's account but its about 50/50 split now between trials were victims support or not.
It is a GOOD thing. It stops the cycle of victims clinging on to abusers for longer than they have to.
They don't do them without extra evidence.

DVPNs and DVPOs were also brought in which are enforceable orders to make the two parties stay seperate and have no contact should an NFA decision be made against a suspect whilst in custody. (No Further Action as not enough evidence for a successful prosecution but long history of issues or Police are convinced incidents are taking place but cannot prove it enough to prosecute). It often gives victims enough time on their own to realise they can manage without the other person and often break up with the suspect.

hamstersarse · 16/02/2020 08:49

I think her death also represents a problem we have with NEVER forgiving people their mistakes.

She knew that whatever the outcome of the trial (and whatever the truth is) there is just no forgiveness anymore.

She could take it on the chin, admit her wrong doing but it’s never enough for people anymore. There is no way to be redeemed. Nothing that people can do to have a life after a mistake when you are in the public eye.

CanIHaveATiaraPlease · 16/02/2020 08:49

Quite Bluntness & Bobby

I hope her death doesn’t make it go back to what it was like when I started practice. The abused (Mostly women) would often withdraw their allegations & end up back with their abuser.

It was for want of a better word soul destroying at times especially when they sometimes ended up dead later on.

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attatiti · 16/02/2020 08:56

I’m really shocked at how many people are minimising what she was accused of.

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TryingToBeBold · 16/02/2020 09:00

I wonder if anyone would be quite as sympathetic had Johnny Depp or Chris Brown committed suicide. Johnny Depp was regularly portrayed as an alcoholic and a wife beater (obviously since then new information came to light)..

I've read that she made a mistake.
Chris Brown made a mistake in that case.
Served jail time for it. Would we be as sympathetic? Because be was scared of his future?

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Oliversmumsarmy · 16/02/2020 09:05

I have only known people who have dropped charges and nothing has happened

A few years ago a friend was beaten and raped by her now exp. Apparently as there were no witnesses the police refused to prosecute.
The “evidence” they said could have been the results of them play acting.

BobbyBlueCat · 16/02/2020 09:10

@Oliversmumsarmy

Yes, like my post said there has to be STRONG evidence seperate to the victim's evidence for them to still run with a prosecution.
In the case of the person you know, there obviously wasn't enough evidence to continue a prosecution. 'He said/She said' cases are very hard to prove if there is no other evidence.

Cinderemma · 16/02/2020 09:11

I think anyone feeling so low to take their own life is tragic and this countries press have a lot to answer for.
The CPS can't be held to blame, there was a DV charge, if you've even been on the receiving end of DV and be brave enough to report the event - many aren't.
I do think if this was a male who had taken his own life after being on a DV charge it would be a different story.

superfandango · 16/02/2020 09:13

I think her death also represents a problem we have with NEVER forgiving people their mistakes.

That seems somewhat simplistic. It's been roughly two months since her arrest, and she had yet to stand trial. She will now never stand trial for what she was accused of. How are those who are meant to forgive her mistakes able to do that when it was still an active case?

jollie99 · 16/02/2020 09:15

Very very sad. The media don't realise how damaging they can be to people. I think they are largely responsible for how she must have been feeling

FrenchFancie · 16/02/2020 09:16

I’m saddened that she felt she had no other option other than to take her own life but this isn’t the fault of the CPS.
Many women on here rail against the police and the CPS for not doing enough for domestic violence victims. Here is a case where there is clearly enough révise ce to proceed without the victims involvement - something that is usually championed - but because this case is the ‘wrong’ way around suddenly everyone is on the side of the alleged abuser!
Now you could say that the press have been on her back since it came to light, that’s true. But the CPS looks like it’s just been doing it’s job in this instance, and should not be blamed.

WinterCat · 16/02/2020 09:16

She could take it on the chin, admit her wrong doing but it’s never enough for people anymore. There is no way to be redeemed. Nothing that people can do to have a life after a mistake when you are in the public eye.

I don’t think this is always true as there are a few celebrities (eg Cheryl Tweedy, Chris Brown etc) who have gone on to have a career, perhaps more of a career, after their assault convictions. Then again, as every year goes by, I think the media and social media is more and more brutal and covers so much more.

I can’t see the the CPS would have been pursuing without thinking they had a strong case and they do need to be there to take on these cases for times when the victim is either too scared or at the wrong stage in a relationship to be able to press charges themselves. We won’t know now whether she was an abuser who should have been prosecuted or whether an example was being made of her because of her fame.

Regardless, this is a sad situation where a young woman probably perceived herself as old due to the industry she was in and her mental health saw no other way out. From the reports I’ve read, Caroline was barely on her own in recent weeks which makes me wonder whether her friends and family were on an informal suicide watch because they feared this.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 16/02/2020 09:17

Just stop!

The threads on here were bad enough when she was arrested.

All of this is adding to the shit show.

Stop! Think about what you are doing as you dissect the life of a person you don't know, pronouncing, judging, condemning... Just months ago some of you were revelling in her downfall in just the same over excited, mouth frothing fervour.

Have some shame!

ShatnersWig · 16/02/2020 09:20

Curious Her management team are "pronouncing, judging, condemning" the people at the CPS who believed a prosecution was right.

NerrSnerr · 16/02/2020 09:21

So many people on threads like this enjoy being in the know and act as it they know all the facts. The media tells you what they want to know, just to make people click on the story.

No fawning over her year, just sadness for the whole situation, especially as I said upthread I lost my sister to suicide at a similar age after what seems like a similar struggle (no assault afaik but very bad decisions that she couldn't see a way out of).

NerrSnerr · 16/02/2020 09:21

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coconuttelegraph · 16/02/2020 09:22

I have only known people who have dropped charges and nothing has happened

A few years ago a friend was beaten and raped by her now exp.Apparently as there were no witnesses the police refused to prosecute

This has been posted many times on this thread, the victims don't/can't drop the charges, you've said it in your second para, cases don't proceed because of lack of evidence.

Think about it, what kind of system would it be if victims were allowed to dictate which crimes the police proceeded with? Abusers and violent criminal would further abuse and harm their victims until they asked the police not to take further action against them. It would be an abusers paradise

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