Who else would really appreciate a polite discussion of gender issues and the concerns of women at the jess Philips webchat on Monday?

[StealthPolarBear]

I posted on the webchat thread:
Since the questions have already been asked I am not allowed to repeat similar but I want on record that self ID, its potential abuse, protection of vulnerable young people from those who promote transition which can sometimes include puberty blockers, the protection of natal women's rights and the importance of teaching biological facts in schools are big concerns to me.

MNHQ have said they don't want any more comments or questions about gender issues on the Web chat thread which I can understand. However what I do want to make clear is the number of people who may share some or all of my concerns. Otherwise any questions about gender issues are of an equal weight to all others and in fact others, which can be repeated in a different form, may seem to gain more weight.

Maybe genuinely just a handful of us then. That's what's on the thread. Good :)

Me. I would. I feel sick and angry at the thought of what happened to Karen White's poor victims who had no escape from what was done to them and their attack was a direct result of self-ID policy. The architects of that must be held accountable but there has been nothing but silence from them, as though they have forgotten they are public servants who are answerable for the consequences of their foolishness.

However what I do want to make clear is the number of people who may share some or all of my concerns.

Yes, I agree. I'm also concerned about the high handed patronising way women's concerns are being dealt with by everyone. It's appalling misogyny.

Yy, add me to the list of those who would like it discussed

I’m with you. I can’t believe our questions are to be policed. How will Jess know how scared/angry we are if we are not ‘allowed’ to voice our concerns.

I’m with you.

I'd like it discussed.

I'd particularly like to see discussion of the spousal "veto" (that isn't really a veto) seeing as Jess brought it up herself on social media, but none of the many transwidows here got a chance to ask the question before MN told us we couldn't ask any more questions about women's rights.

I share your concerns, OP.

I was threatened with a ban after posting on the last webchat - so I don't think I'll be joining any more webchats. Let them talk about their favourite biscuits

Webchat here btw.

MNHQ have been deleting whole questions, so they just vanish completely as if they were never there,, instead of having a deletion message.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/mumsnet_live_events/3797731-Webchat-with-Labour-leadership-contender-Jess-Phillips-MP-on-Monday-January-20-at-1pm

Jess won't want to deal with those questions though. If you have to answer GC questions about self ID in any depth, the trans activist position quickly becomes non sensical and then Jess would lose woke-points. You are, however, quite right to raise these issues.

I would like it discussed. I can't thinking many politicians more appropriate to have that discussion with than someone who touts herself as a protector of vulnerable women, who was so heavily involved in the Trans Rights report which weakened so significantly the protections of vulnerable women and girls.

Me. I left the Labour Party over this issue. I'm deciding whether to rejoin and vote.

If and when they aren't addressed though I'd like it to be recorded that we tried

Absolutely with you, OP. The preservation of the rights of women are actually one of the most important issues a candidate can deal with. I'm a Labour Party member and will be watching with interest.

She will easily avoid the small number of questions MNHQ have permitted. I would also like her to address the issues, or at least define the word ‘woman’.

Me. I left the Labour Party over this issue. I'm deciding whether to rejoin and vote.

Please do. We cannot win without you. Out of interest, who would you be rejoining to vote for?

Me!!!!!

I really like Jess Phillips, but more than that I
hate hate hate

that a small group of natal males are trying to redefine the fundamental definition of what it is to be female

I do not appreciate 50% of the population being erased by 0.1% of people, raised wit patriarchal masculine privilege

I’m really really pissed off about this- the high handedness so early on, why are you silencing women @MNHQ?

I posted the following message which disappeared 2 seconds after I posted it:

Is dictating to your site users about what they can and cannot post about a good idea?

Is that in the spirit of mumsnet?

And it’s really really underhanded of them to remove messages instead of delete, is it because Jess would ask why all the deleted messages and then they would have to explain?

This is looking really suspicious and very much like you have an agenda here @MNHQ

And can we screenshot this thread in case it disappears?

Me.
Like @AlunWynsKnee I also left the Labour Party over this issue (and the anti-semitism) and have rejoined to vote.

I definitely want it discussed.

As this is an issue that has affected me directly, and I think there are real issues surrounding the treatment and support of family members of someone who has transitioned, I think this is a very important issue which has serious safeguarding issues connected to it.

No one is representing this vulnerable group. Its not good enough.

Me, I'd like it discussed. I'm thinking about joining but this worries me.

Agreed

I'm staggered by the web chat thread tbh. It's one thing deleting comments but another to erase them entirely, like they never existed. Really worrying direction for the site to take.

I would also like to see these issues discussed