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Is my child racist?! I don’t know what to do!

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Namechangefour · 17/12/2019 19:59

Before I begin, I should say: I’m mixed race though look very white.

I was telling my my 5-year-old that I am going to look for someone to look after him after-school one day a week from next term. And he said, “Fine but please can you not choose anyone black?” I drilled this down and down and down and he meant what he said. Not someone black.

I said “Why?”

And he said “I don’t know.”

I said, “You know grandma was black?” (He never met her, she died before he was born).

And he said, “I know, but I don’t want you to choose anyone black.”

I said, “You know mummy is half black?”

And he said, “I know, but please don’t choose anyone black.”

I had absolutely no idea what to say. I remember reading once that you shouldn’t shame children for saying things like that, and we were in a cafe at the time, so all I said was, “You know what you said isn’t good, right?”

And he said, “I don’t know all the things yet!”

I didn’t want to get into it (mostly because I didn’t want to get it wrong) so I said we’d talk about it later.

But I am still totally unable to think what to say. I’m heartbroken. Completely and utterly heartbroken.

Can someone give me some advice? I don’t know what to do! And I don’t know why he’s saying things like that! We live somewhere pretty multicultural in london, though his school is quite cringe-worthily white and middle class.

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Namechangefour · 17/12/2019 20:09

Anyone?

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sleepismysuperpower1 · 17/12/2019 20:09

there was a thread on this a while back www.mumsnet.com/Talk/behaviour_development/1011084-Racist-5-yr-old which would be worth a read. do they go to any outside of school clubs which allow them to mix in a more diverse environment? that might be something to look into to allow them to expand their friendship group a little

Patroclus · 17/12/2019 20:13

You can only suspect hes picked it up from another kid who's parent has been saying similarly lovely things and I'd get to the bottom of that.

MerryChristmasUfilthyanimal · 17/12/2019 20:13

Has he had a negative experience with anyone of that race?

Children can be extremely literal at times and very unforgiving.

For example when my son was small he believed that every black person was fantastic at football because a majority of the team he follows was black. As a result he wanted to be black when he grew up.

Namechangefour · 17/12/2019 20:15

Thank you!! I will read that thread right now.

To be honest, he’s very shy and doesn’t like joining out of school clubs much (hence the childminder idea one day a week). But he could definitely do with a more diverse friendship group. I am going to look into clubs for him anyway, thank you for this idea!

(Unfortunately, my mum’s side of the family live far away, and my cousins are all very young so no kids yet, so he doesn’t have any half-cousins his age to be friends with.)

I encountered racism when I was at school, so I am crushed by this.

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0blio · 17/12/2019 20:22

You need to get to the bottom of it of course and address it but I think your statement his school is quite cringe-worthily white and middle class is equally strange.

BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz · 17/12/2019 20:24

Have you asked him why he doesn't?

sleepismysuperpower1 · 17/12/2019 20:24

might be worth putting his name on the Beavers waiting list (its usually fairly long and they can join from age 6), since that usually has a range of kids? you could also look for a local football team, that will have a range of boys. do you let him watch youtube? 'teckers kid' seems very popular with that age range and he is a young black boy.

sleepismysuperpower1 · 17/12/2019 20:25

also agree with PP, you need to ask why he made the statement

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Elephantshoe · 17/12/2019 20:26

Echoing what @BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz said. Did you ask him why?

Binterested · 17/12/2019 20:27

Oh poor you. But don’t make this into more than it needs to be. Your son is five. When I was five I thought that dual carriageways were called jewelled carriageways and I couldn’t wait to be shown my jewelled carriage. There was a family on our street who I knew were Jewish because the kids didn’t go to assembly and it also happened that the mum walked with a limp and therefore I thought that Jewish meant having something wrong with your leg.

Honestly five year olds are barely capable of coherent thought. He won’t know what he means by black or what it means to you or anything. He may have heard something at school or have taken a dislike to a black kid at school who likes a different football team to him and is basing it on that.

So definitely talk to him about this but do not think that this is about you or a return to the bullying you suffered or anything like that. This is about him being five and leading a very narrow little life - as five year olds do.

Namechangefour · 17/12/2019 20:28

0blio - I mean that in we live In a VERY diverse part of london, but his school is touted as excellent, so every property within its catchment is worth a fortune and has been bought by white middle class parents so their kids can go to the school. I don’t mean to dismiss that as cringe-worthy, but his school isn’t reflective of the community we live in at all.

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BrendasUmbrella · 17/12/2019 20:30

A 5 year old isn't racist, they're just ignorant. Because they're 5.

I'd wonder if he's picking up some attitudes from you if you consider his school to be "cringeworthy" because it's mostly white...

Namechangefour · 17/12/2019 20:31

And my family all look white (me included! Even though I’m not!) and we’re definitely middle class and very much part of the problem! (We also purposefully bought in the catchment.) So I include myself in the “cringe-worthy” clumsy wording.

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Ylvamoon · 17/12/2019 20:31

I always tell my DC its not how anyone looks or what clothes they wear or where someone lives it's weather you like them as a person that counts.

redandwhite1 · 17/12/2019 20:31

My 5 year old goes to school with quite a few black / Asian etc children and when he talks about someone he refers to them as 'peach' for white kids whereas if they aren't white it's not mentioned what colour their skin is - always found that odd!

Not related to you but I think it's just their little minds processing life and recognising differences

sausagepastapot · 17/12/2019 20:31

Could he have come across a literally black-coloured character (say Bing for example) who he has taken a dislike to? I feel like he is too young to have prejudices like this.

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Namechangefour · 17/12/2019 20:32

Beavers is a good idea!

I did ask him why, but he couldn’t explain, he kept saying, “I don’t know.” I was reluctant to push it too far, as I didn’t know how to handle it properly, and I wanted to work it out first - and talk to DH.

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lboogy · 17/12/2019 20:33

Here come the white people demanding to be equally offended. 🙄

Anyway OP, I really think you need to surround your son with more positive examples of black people to instil some self pride. He's absorbing messages from whatever source (tv, friends) that are negative. People don't realise they are absorbing racist messages if they don't consciously try and unlearn their bias. You need to do the work to counter that now.

I know how devastating it can be. I too grew up in a mostly white middle class area and wanted to be white like everyone else. The damage a white monoculture does to the self-esteem of minorities cannot be underestimated.

FlamingoQueen · 17/12/2019 20:34

This may be silly, but have you checked that he means black skin colour? I don’t know what else he may mean, but perhaps he has something else in mind, but can’t explain (a bit like me in this post!!)

drspouse · 17/12/2019 20:35

Have a look at this, it might help?

www.onlyblackgirl.com/blog/lets-talk-racial-mirrors

pinksparkleunicorns · 17/12/2019 20:35

He is 5. He is too young to be racist to the core.

  1. Ask why he said it
  2. He needs to be told why what he said was wrong
  3. Depending on no.1 you need to respond to 'correct' his view.
  4. Move on but be mindful to correct any repeated similar statements
Solihooley · 17/12/2019 20:36

Children pick up on racism the same way the pick up on gender stereotypes and this is well underway by the age of 5. My dd has come up with some awful statements re. Gender despite us making a real effort at home to not have gender stereotypes. Have you ever seen those studies where they get kids to pick dolls that are nice and nasty and even the BAME kids overwhelmingly pick the white ones as being ‘good’ or ‘nice’. It’s pretty upsetting. I wouldn’t panic. Maybe you just need to talk about race more with him, perhaps show him pictures of your family, and absolutely gently correct him if he says things like this again.

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