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Prince Andrew Part 3

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SunsetBoulevard3 · 07/12/2019 09:52

Since there has been such active discussion on the last 2 threads, here is a new one!

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rhubarbcrumbles · 07/12/2019 11:59

Lots and lots of people covering up for Andy. There must be so many people who know the truth.

(from the old thread)

Just like they apparently did with Saville? Whenever anything is going on I am sure it's actually common knowledge in certain circles.

Verily1 · 07/12/2019 12:01

Hidden in plain sight.

There have been rumours about a member of the FR being a P for years.

I’d love it if one of the security workers went public!

rhubarbcrumbles · 07/12/2019 12:40

Yes, hidden in plain sight was what I meant but couldn't remember.
Rumours are bound to be spread about a secretive family.

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about this subject:

AnyMinuteNow · 07/12/2019 13:19

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AnyMinuteNow · 07/12/2019 13:20

Oops! Don't mind me Grin. Just hopping into the continuation thread

SunsetBoulevard3 · 07/12/2019 13:41

I've come to the conclusion that Andy just thought Virginia was an eager young thing who couldn't wait to have sex with a Prince. It probably didn't occur to him that any of these women were vulnerable or not having a good time. I think he did see all these women coming and going, but just thought it went with the territory for someone like Epstein who was powerful and rich. His comment about not really seeing people really struck me. Here is a man who is just used to seeing lackeys all around him. He doesn't think about them as people. He sees himself as a Special Person, who people want to hang out with.
It is probably a shock to him that these women were being abused for money. In fact I don't think he's taken that fact on board at all.
It's 'well everyone was having fun, and the women were paid'.
He's a very entitled, arrogant man with no idea of what life for ordinary people is like.

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Womenwotlunch · 07/12/2019 15:08

@SunsetBoulevard3 - totally agree with you

Puzzledandpissedoff · 07/12/2019 17:56

Placemarking for later

PrettyPurpleFeather · 07/12/2019 20:15

Thank you, I've read both previous threads but not commented. Just astounded but not surprised at the sense of entitlement the elite have. Very interesting discussion and has really opened up my eyes to what's going 9n & has been hidden in plain sight for so long..
Thank you.

CathyorClaire · 07/12/2019 20:44

Oooh. Glad this is ongoing.

DM reporting today a second Epstein victim is claiming to have had sex with Prince Randy. No further details as to whether she was coerced but the building picture isn't pretty.

Silvercatowner · 07/12/2019 21:27

Andy just thought Virginia was an eager young thing who couldn't wait to have sex with a Prince. It probably didn't occur to him that any of these women were vulnerable or not having a good time

I think this is spot on. He has an ego the size of a mansion.

Haggisfish · 07/12/2019 21:29

I agree with you sunset.

Toscanello · 07/12/2019 21:37

I degregistered from here a while ago, although I still lurk a bit to read some threads. The absolute misogyny, misunderstanding of the way some young women are used and abused, the defence of men who enough have wealth and status to use young women is so appalling it has made me reregister to comment. Any comment I make is not going to change anything, I may be wrong, I may be torn to shreds by those who think 17 year olds become willing sex workers so they can have some nice clothes.

If you have been abused (as many previous posters have eloquently said, citing their own experiences) you don't know how to 'say no'. If you have been groomed you don't know how to 'say no'. More importantly, it doesn't matter in a wider sense whether you have been groomed or abused. Whatever a young woman's life has been like, no middle aged man should be trying to coerce very young women and girls into being raped. Because rape is what it is. A year above the age of consent in the UK, with a man many years older who can offer them things to sleep with him. It is so easy for these men to be persuasive. They can and do make sure they approach young women in a way that makes them feel they consent. Only when these women mature do they really realise what happened. Then they are liars. Women say well they consented and were happy to have the glamorous life. No condemnation of the men who made these girls think they wanted that.

Any man who does that should be vilified by society. No decent, caring, thoughtful, normal man would do that. And women should stop apologising for these men. Any shred of empathy and you would understand that a 17 year old is never really a willing partner with a 40 year old rich man. And any 40 year old rich man who persuades a 17 year old girl, by whatever means, is not a man anyone should be defending.

As for Andrew. He is the epitome of this type of man. Stupid, privileged beyond belief, and probably rather glad his position meant he didn't even have to recruit and groom girls before taking advantage of them. He is a natural product of the untouchable status afforded to all the royal family.

Finally to the poster who said he may have PTSD after the Falklands, and that somehow has clouded his judgement regarding sex with very young women. That is one of the most offensive things I have ever heard. I know loads who served down south. Who were affected to varying degrees by their experiences. I don't know any of them who feel the need when they were 40 to sleep with 17 years olds. Any 17 year old, vulnerable, consenting, trafficked, willing, any. Don't tar ex servicemen with that brush. Don't say my DH and so many others I know would use that excuse to abuse young women. (Coincidently he was never in any danger, and was universally hated in the RN. All 'veterens' I know can still sweat, they don't regard themselves as veterans an would never say anything about it with strangers, they don't broadcast it).

Toscanello · 07/12/2019 21:40

Despite my enormous post (sorry), in not sure I really got across what I was getting to say. No 40 year old man should be sleeping with any 17 year old. The 17 year old is too young. Whatever the circumstances a good man (or woman) wouldn't do that. Whether it is legal or not it should be universally and unequivocally condemned.

SunsetBoulevard3 · 07/12/2019 21:42

I totally agree with you.

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Toscanello · 07/12/2019 22:12

I'm glad someone does. I find the views of some about this utterly appalling. Nit picking over the age of consent, what is legal in some places and not in others. Does it reach the criminal standards of beyond reasonable doubt. That is important if criminal charges are to be brought.

However, I can't understand why some people can't go beyond that and understand that even if it wasn't illegal everyone involved should be ostracised and condemned by all of us. There is no place in society for middle aged men using young women even if it is legal. The Falklands PTSD shite absolutely incensed me. Obviously from someone who has no clue what they are talking about, and shouldn't be saying such things on a widely read public forum where some people may believe it.

DianaT1969 · 07/12/2019 22:27

I totally agree that no man of 40 should be sleeping with a 17 year old. It's even more astonishing and digusting that PA had daughters but no empathy for Virginia. Completely lacking any moral compass. I so hope he is properly held to account and all of the other friends-of-Epstein abusers who are yet to be revealed/investigated.

PippiDeLena · 07/12/2019 22:27

Great post Toscanello.

The scary thing is, I don't think there is any evidence that we could provide that would ever make the apologists take the side of the victims. There are no pictures, or reports or interviews that would convince them. If there was a video of a girl being assaulted and begging for mercy, multiple commenters would crawl out of the woodwork saying "maybe it was just for show" and "well why did she go back then?". The lack of empathy honestly horrifies me.

birdsdestiny · 07/12/2019 22:31

That sums up everything I think Toscanello.

AnyMinuteNow · 07/12/2019 22:37

The more that speak out the better. Glad another has been brave enough to potentially face public scorn or apologists and mysogyny for the sake of getting their truth heard.

Nodding furiously that yes indeed no man of 40 should consider himself anything other than a perpetrator for manipulating such a young woman, teen, into sex.

A 40 year old male is world's apart in every way from a 17 year old girl. He's not got any intellectual or emotional interest in her.

Toscanello · 07/12/2019 22:52

I think Andrew can't distinguish his daughters because they were 'blood princesses', just as he justifies his own behaviour. They are above all of us. Therein lies the problem with the Royal family, not only for republicans. They believe they are not just above us in terms of wealth, or in privilege in terms that we usually understand. They feel themselves above us in a way that means blood princesses can't be used, but other young women can.

There is no evidence that can be used. None. You are right even if there were videos etc., there would be an 'easy' defence.

I really don't want to turn this into a class/wealth argument. But it is really. Those who are rich and are that way inclined can take advantage. Great wealth can skew morals. Great wealth can give those who wish to use it in such a way an opportunity to exploit. You can't do much about those like Epstein who do this, you can prevent state supported wealthy people like Andrew. We could all say we don't want to support the enormous wealth, position and privilege of a family who may, like any other family, have someone who behaves in a way that is so immoral it is utterly wrong they continue to be funded and supported and lauded by the country.

Dowser · 07/12/2019 23:01

The smile of pure entitlement in his well fed face says it all.

I bet all of the lackeys he trod on and crushed while he was reigning supreme won’t be able to wipe the smug smiles from their faces at how the mighty has fallen.

Enjoy it lads and lasses..you deserve it...fetching and carrying for this right Royal tosspot.

Toscanello · 07/12/2019 23:04

Having no emotional or intellectual interest sums it up perfectlyanyminute. That's it. You can have marriages and relationships with a big age gap, but there it is relationship, not just a sexual encounter, not anything predatory. Not an older bloke lusting after a virginal girl.

MrsPelligrinoPetrichor · 07/12/2019 23:04

No 40 year old man should be sleeping with any 17 year old. The 17 year old is too young. Whatever the circumstances a good man (or woman) wouldn't do that. Whether it is legal or not it should be universally and unequivocally condemned

That's exactly what dh said when we watched it and I agree,it's obscene.

I wasn't sure if I believed her but after his interview I did, he's an entitled liar.

Her interview was very believable. Brave woman.