Prince Andrews slip ups

[babydog]

he said LOADS of things during that interview, where he was telling the truth, and forgetting his lie.

the only one I can remember now though is when talking about visiting JE house in (Bahamas?? not the NY one anyway). a witness had said he went 4 times a year. He said something like; 'you have to understand, when you go into one of those places...'

that's not how you talk about a friend's house. what are 'those places'?

Haven’t seen it all but I think he thought that doing the interview would make things go away.
How can he remember going to that Pizza express restaurant on that exact day? Surely his protection team would have the dates logged? Even so the allegations about him going to the night club would surely be after the visit to pizza express?
He seems to have a sense of entitlement. So what if he served in the Falklands war? So did thousands of other ordinary people.
Why didn’t his royal protection team stop him dead with his friendship?

How can he remember going to that Pizza express restaurant on that exact day?

His team of advisors probably picked this activity out of the logs and maybe he is even able to remember this outing, it's plausible enough.

Why PA, his team or anyone else would ever think that being at Pizza Express at 4 or 5 should present an alibi for not being at a club in London later that night is anyones' guess. It's a completely foolish thing to suggest as an alibi.

PA seems completely dim, not the sharpest tool in the shed, for sure. I wonder if actually he really was not interested in Epstein's going ons but maintained a 'friendship' mainly because Epstein was PA's ticket to accessing vast amounts of money without working hard or being smart. His main ambition is to uphold his privileged live style, I doubt he has the resilience to live any normal kind of life. He is a pompous and entitled twat with no moral compass, a petty opportunist.So perhaps PA turned a blind eye to Epstein's depravity simply to protect his access to cash.

The 4 day visit after Epstein was released and the negotiations PA mentions were about Fergie's loan. Both men probably had secrets to protect and PA would have told him that' he'd still hang out with him but mustn't be seen with him due to the RF etc. to keep Epstein sweet.

What I cannot imagine is what PA had to offer to Epstein and why Epstein would have been interested in the prince.

I'm not really into any of the conspiracy theories around the RF and PA. What is obvious is that the snobbishness and privileges the RF and the circles they move in enjoy are obscene and likely to mess with their moral compass.

What I wonder is where are the British security services in all of this? They surely have information about the PA and anything dodgy he gets up to, no?

I’d assume that anything Andrew gets up to is known by his security team. Including everything to do with Epstien.
If they did get up to anything, it’s been well guarded by someone. Remember though, that these close people are sworn to secrecy, I’d imagine it would cause a world of pain to go against the Royals.
Even when Harry was in Afghan, hundred of troops were aware but there was a blanket ban on leaking it.

What I cannot imagine is what PA had to offer to Epstein and why Epstein would have been interested in the prince.

Protection. He offers some level of cover because any activity involving him will never be secret and may well come out, but there will be no accountability. Ghislaine Maxwell is still free and sleeping in her own bed tonight. That’s what getting your well connected friends involved in your mess buys you. A greater degree of silence. There are probably tons of secrets we will never know. He can just say, Prince Andrew did it too. I wonder whose name he offered for his plea bargain...

I wondered why the "important conversation" to say it would be improper to see him (JE) anymore that necessitated a 4 day stay and dinner party but could easily have been done by call or email was done in a public place such as central park? Since JE had a massive mansion, could they not have arranged a meeting there? Or was he afraid of who might see/hear? Or would an email be too traceable?

The usual reason to have meetings outdoors is to avoid being overheard, or bugged. Considering JE was just out of prison....the latter may have been a concern. And even the former if they suspected a mole!

he should know where he has been every day, or at least, the records would be available to show him. Wonder why they haven't been used to support him?

Because noone has asked him, the police have not investigated him. In the interview he kept saying "we" as in "we checked" etc, so I imagine his personal secretary did check the diary.

Also, no, dropping the kids at Pizza Express, and even picking them up, would not preclude a later arrangement taking place. But he also said when one of us is away the other stays with the kids, so his claim is that it was his turn with the kids and he was there all night.

The victim, however, was not 100% sure of the date so there's more scope there.

They were probably stood talking next to a very loud water fall, fountain or bird aviary!

No one has asked him because he is refusing to allow both the fbi and the French prosecutors ask him. They wish to. They have applied to. He has refused.

So you're right no one has asked him. But only because he will not permit it.

Interesting that neither Corbyn or Johnson supported him in the leadership debate. And that so many companies are now refusing to be associated with his name, or considering dropping anything he's associated with.

I think they will just remove him from the public eye and all duties. If, as rumoured more comes out, details about the French women accusing him of assault, which is already being alluded to in the press, and his friendship with a second paedophile, then I've no idea what the royal family can do. There is only so long they can continue to prevent him being questioned by the authorities.

Boris said the monarchy are beyond reproach. He isn’t in to historical sexual abuse cases anyway, he thinks it is “spunking money up the wall.”

Eugh

I reckon PA was not very nice to Meghan when she joined the family... can you imagine how appaled he would have been that a commoner had a higher status than his daughters and no doubt he has ingrained racist and classist attitudes?

Anyone else think she and Harry have made a very strategic decision to distance themselves and be away whilst all of this was about to blow and they didnt want to be connected with it? If so, good move for them.

To be fair what Boris said was that the institution of the monarchy is beyond reproach, that is not the same thing as saying the monarchy are beyond reproach
Just as one might say that one respects the institution or the office of President of the USA but one thinks that Trump is a fucking moron

GE being in prison was a joke. He had his own bed in the police station to sleep in at night and was free to go to his office during the day to carry on his business during the day. Two prison guards were in front of a grand jury charged with faking his cell checks. He was as free as he wanted to be. No hardship was experienced by him other than the inconvenience caused by being vaguely accountable for his whereabouts.

Watching the c4 documentary showed their lack of remorse and his wife is allegedly as guilty as he is. They must have truckloads of dirt on PA.

Boris also refused to back Andrew and said the law had to take its full course. When commenting on monarchy I think he was being generalist, otherwise he'd have repeated it with Andrew.

Rhino what Boris said was that the institution of the monarchy is beyond reproach

That struck me as well .But......in making that distinction it's just a weasly get out .

And really ,the instition and the RF can't exist without each other .They are one and the same thing .

PA is, I imagine, a Useful Idiot to a large network of seriously wealthy, seriously perverted, seriously spoiled, seriously powerful white men.

It's not news that power corrupts.

That interview would prejudice any trial - I doubt he's the most interesting person in this murky business, anyway.

He's got secrets to protect, he has people who'll want to pay him to protect theirs, he'll do the interview and banjax any future trial - job done.

PA can slip off the public radar and go and join his ex-pal (who's sporting a new name and a new face) in Mexico for holidays.

Bet there's footage from that house that PA, and anyone else who'd been in it, would prefer not to be seen.

I've read enough John Grisham to be an expert in this scenario.

I don’t understand at all how he did so badly in that interview.

He’d known it was being set up for months and you’d think would have held mock interviews a few weeks ahead of time and pre-prepared answers and memorised buzz words and phrases that he needed to slip in. So how did it go wrong?

It went wrong because he's a bad liar.

@moomin8 but he would have had a lifetime of training on how to interview/speak to the press/public speaking.....and still?

YY @cookit, how did he not mention the victims AT ALL. Surely someone would have told him to lead with that

@babydog

Yes like basic prep -

1. Mention victims as often as you can. Try to look sad.
2. Words to use and words to avoid when talking about a sex offender. “Unbecoming” is one to avoid.
3. How about saying that you cut off contact because you were shocked and appalled at his actions not because you couldn’t be seen to be his friend?
4. Admit that the damn photo is real. In itself it’s not all that conclusive. Just say people take photos with you all the time and you are often introduced to lots of people. You don’t remember her but you have been to that house on occasion and it’s quite plausible that you would have met someone new and taken a photo with her.
5. Do not say that being “too honourable” is your greatest failing. That’s like when people say they are just too conscientious or too hard working in work interviews as their greatest weakness.

It’s not hard is it?

Who the hell did he practice with?

Who is KP?

cookit
I thought the same in how you would phrase things. And on point 4, the RF do loads of meet and greets although this is clearly not an official visit and get invited to loads of things. It would be far more plausible for him to say I don't remember that particular occasion because it was 20 years ago and I get invited to so many parties and functions and get photographed all the time instead of some bullshit bumf about how he always wears a suit in London!!