Prince Andrews slip ups

[babydog]

he said LOADS of things during that interview, where he was telling the truth, and forgetting his lie.

the only one I can remember now though is when talking about visiting JE house in (Bahamas?? not the NY one anyway). a witness had said he went 4 times a year. He said something like; 'you have to understand, when you go into one of those places...'

that's not how you talk about a friend's house. what are 'those places'?

He said at the start he saw him 2/3 times a year. Then when the house keeper said the same, that was almost confirmation.

I think he is so far removed from the realities of real life that he genuinely believes no one will have photos of him to contradict the things he says.

*•I don’t party
Pictures of him partying/archive spitting image clips from before he was married
I don’t go out in London without a suit
Photos of him out in London, without a suit
That’s a fake photo
The FBI have verified it, and even the windows in the background match up with the layout of the house
I saw Ghislaine Maxwell, not him
Yes and she’s hardly sparkly clean either, her father robbed thousand of pensions, no one has forgotten
It was a shooting weekend not a party
Who gives a fuck what the occasion was mate, a paedo was in your house that the public are fucking paying for!

He is irl as awful as he seems in that interview. Frightful man, one that i would be quite happy to never meet again

His interview only further convinced me he's guilty as hell.

Blink, blink, blink, blink, blink

At times he lifted his head and shoulders up towards the ceiling as if to suggest he wants to escape the situation.

I also felt that his tone changed a lot at times. The beginning “no, no, that was a shooting weekend” as if to say get your facts straight, that minor detail obviously exonerates me because you’re wrong silly peasant. To “when ONE is a member of the royal family one is not inclined to do public displays of affection” to stamp his authority because he could see he wasn’t getting his way.

Also, why would A PRINCE OF THE REALM need a grubby paedo bastard to open doors for him.

because he is accompanied everywhere he goes @scaryteacher by multiple people. no way that information wouldnt get back, for damage limitation

Virginia Roberts came from a well to do American family. She has said (much like James Safechuck and Wade Robson) that the enormity of the abuse she suffered only hit her hard when her own daughter was born.

As I've said, I'll bet she's the tip of the iceberg. Goodness knows how many other awful stories will never even be heard or acknowledged

@IamPickleRick yes yes, his masked slipped didn't it

as if a dinner and a shoot, couldn't be a party/birthday celebration. as if the nature of the celebration is relevant at all

@Babydog I don't think he'd have his security team there in the room whilst he was shagging do you? If he was insistent they didn't go in the property with him, what could they do? Accompanied everywhere? Nope, not when he was in the RN. Can't see a protection officer sitting in a helicopter waiting for his arse to be shot off by an exocet.

I think he is dim, I think it entirely probable that he assumed those around in Epstein's house were staff, of whom he wouldn't take much, if any, notice. He is a fall guy for someone bigger imo...Clinton for example.

We do still have innocent til proven guilty in the UK. If he is found not to have had sex with Virginia Roberts, will all those who are quick to point the finger have the grace to apologise?

I thought it was odd when he said he went for a walk in Central Park with JE to discuss cutting off contact (because doing it by text or email would be cowardly!) and "after some negotiation....".
Who the hell negotiates cutting contact with someone? You just do it. Or, at very least, you tell them you're doing it and then do it. There's no negotiation. Unless you are negotiating how you'll still have access to sex which is provided by the other party.....

not proven guilty, doesn't mean innocent. it just means that there isn't enough evidence OR defense team is good at spinning

but he won't be standing trial, so no one need apologise for anything

plus @VanGoghsDog, he hadn't even HAD contact for the previous X number of years. so there really was no need to cut contact. what he was actually doing was REESTABLISHING contact

Who the hell negotiates cutting contact with someone?

Well you do negotiate when there are outstanding loans owed to him taken out by your ex wife, Sarah Ferguson.

And that’s without negotiating gagging orders and deletion of hard drives, for example. Not to say this happened but if he was guilty there’d be quite a lot to negotiate.

Unless you are negotiating how you'll still have access to sex which is provided by the other party.....

You’re right, I hadn’t even considered that as a negotiation either. He could have been negotiating that too

If he was totally clean, he’d have sent a letter via his lawyer. That’s what I’d do and I’m not a royal. You’d want your hands totally clean.

As I've said on another thread, Jimmy Savile was very often hanging around with prominent members of the royal family. The police would have known full well his shady background even though it was not common knowledge at the time.

What this says essentially is that the RF knew what he was up to and were ok with it. Or, that the police knew but the RF didn't.

Babydog Don't you think this is trial by media? He is standing trial via the BBC, print and social media. If anything comes to court, any case will be hopelessly prejudiced, and Epstein is now dead, so will the 'truth' ever come out...or is it about the money? The Duke of York, even if totally innocent, will now be tarnished by this forever, so yes, if he is vindicated, then apologies could he necessary.

You might like to bear in mind that 'Nick' was seen as credible by Scotland Yard, and much distress was caused by a witch hunt to innocent people. He proved to be lying through his teeth.

@scaryteacher how can you possibly even theorise that this man is 'totally innocent'

It's ridiculous. There are none so blind as those that cannot see.

The interview was awful and PA's attitude was appalling but he can't be the only influential/celebrity person who was there.

Has any one seen House of Cards (the UK version). There is one that deals with a standoff between the PM/Media and royalty.
I am very wary of media manipulation and I fear this maybe that to either scrape coat or divert attention from more serious allegations and figures. Also I am surprised that Epsteins death has so readily been accepted as suicide, which I think as very suspicious

No @LoyaltyBonus he won't have been. There are many rich and famous people involved in vile depravity. Every now and then one or two of them get thrown under the bus.

He showed no concern about kids that have been sex trafficed

He laughed both times he mentioned JE killing himself

He was living his lips and choking on his actual words at points

Shocking shocking Sense of entitlement
What a nasty person

Moomin8 How do you know that he is guilty? What access do you have to information that the rest of us don't? People are too quick to accuse without proof....so Sir Cliff Richard, Lords Brittan and Brammell, Harvey Proctor for example, were all accused. My Dh's boss topped himself because of unproven allegations, so forgive me if I can see that there might just be another side to this.

I don't think there can be a situation where PA is "totally innocent". He might not be directly involved, the young woman in the photo may have faked it (I suppose) but he must have been in a position where he knew what was going on, possibly supported it but certainly did nothing to stop it.

Did anyone else notice any code words in the interview?

Luckily for him there are many parts of the world where misdeeds with young women/human rights/murder etc are not regarded as serious so he could continue to be our ambassador overseas. he wont be in Court (the legal kind) and I dont think he will be signing the Sex Offenders register. Fergie can breathe a sigh of relief and get on with the wedding plans.

@YellowSkyBlue code words? I never watched the interview but think I will after this post.