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Prince Andrews slip ups

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babydog · 18/11/2019 23:27

he said LOADS of things during that interview, where he was telling the truth, and forgetting his lie.

the only one I can remember now though is when talking about visiting JE house in (Bahamas?? not the NY one anyway). a witness had said he went 4 times a year. He said something like; 'you have to understand, when you go into one of those places...'

that's not how you talk about a friend's house. what are 'those places'?

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Bluntness100 · 19/11/2019 11:27

Code words? Confused

bottleofbeer · 19/11/2019 11:32

The term ‘child prostitution’ was only actually scrapped in 2015. So basically, it’s only been since then that it has been recognised as abuse.

The word ‘exchange’ was where the supposed differences lay between a child being a prostitute and a victim of CSA. If the child received something in exchange, tangible or intangible then they were considered prostitutes. This happened particularly with trafficked children or children in the care system.

Despite the age of consent being 16 the child prostitution label could apply to very much younger kids.

  1. I kid you not.
scaryteacher · 19/11/2019 11:33

Article from Charles Moore in the DT today.

'When the whole world condemns someone, it is a journalist’s duty to look at the other side. I therefore want to make the case for the Duke of York in his Newsnight interview. If you start from the position of a juror, rather than of our judge-and-jury media, you believe that the accused is innocent until proved guilty. On that basis, Prince Andrew did all right.

Given his state of knowledge at the time, he was not automatically wrong to be friendly with Jeffrey Epstein. It is the misfortune of being a famous person that lots of other famous people want to be your “friend”. Although you should be wary, you cannot always know dark facts about them.

Many famous people were Epstein’s “friends”: that, it turns out, was the way he operated. Prince Andrew seems to have taken Epstein on trust because he (the Prince) was a long-standing friend of Epstein’s friend, Ghislaine Maxwell, who vouched for him. I wonder why the interviewer, Emily Maitlis, did not pursue the subject of Ms Maxwell.

The Duke explained why he went to stay with Epstein to tell him – after the latter’s criminal conviction for soliciting a minor for prostitution – that he could no longer have contact with him.

He admitted this had been a misjudgement; but it sounded believable that he had thought that merely telephoning the man would have been “a chicken way of doing it”. If a person has committed a crime, even a foul one, anyone with a Christian upbringing is taught that they must try to forgive and treat that person fairly.

As for Prince Andrew’s denials of meeting Virginia Roberts, drinking and dancing with her, and sleeping with her, they seemed firm and backed by some evidence. The fact that a photograph exists which seems to show him with his arm round her waist does not – in the wicked world of photo-shopping – prove anything. Given the risks involved, it is surely hard to believe that Prince Andrew was lying on this point: if it is proved that he did, that is the end of him.

He was also wise not to speculate on Ms Roberts’s motives. In the interview, he appeared slightly crass, but never nasty. He was not under any duty to express shame about the fate of Epstein’s victims, because his behaviour – if his account is true – never affected any of them.

Overall, he quite convincingly portrayed what it is like to be a well-meaning but not very able minor royal swimming in the shark-infested waters of international fame. His performance was not, to use the phrase everyone now parrots about all interviews with people they don’t like, “a car-crash”.
A fly caught in a web

Nevertheless, the Duke should never have given the interview, and particularly not in Buckingham Palace, which made it look like a matter of state. In his mind, I suspect, it was something seen in isolation – a way of stating his case which could clear the air. He and his advisers seem to have made no allowance for how the BBC – and the media in general – work.

Although he trusted the BBC with the interview, it immediately rubbished him once it had aired. By Monday morning, the Today programme had Nick Robinson trying to browbeat Andrea Leadsom into condemning the Prince, which the shadow minister, Barry Gardiner, going way outside normal political limits, had just done on the same show.

A journalist, who had himself interviewed Prince Andrew in 2017, came on air to say how “arrogant” he was. The usual sharp American lawyers who thrive on such cases popped up to express shock. Emily Maitlis, presumably without consulting the Duke’s office, revealed the background to the interview in a newspaper. The royal fly was caught in the spider’s web.

One could not help being grimly amused by the harrying of the Prince, who has so little power to fight back, by a corporation which for many years ignored the sexual predations of its employee Jimmy Savile. It was Newsnight, the very programme on which the Prince appeared, which ditched its investigation into Savile under pressure from the top of the BBC.

In her piece, Maitlis absurdly claimed that this was a more amazing interview than the famous 1990s ones with the Prince of Wales and with his ex-wife, Diana. This suggests that she prejudged the case against the Duke; if she believed that his only offence was staying with Epstein, she would recognise this as an interesting, but minor story of a man who is only eighth in line to the throne.'

I don't know if PA is innocent or guilty, but I find it hard to credit that a member of the RF, who was also an RN Officer, and would have been trained not to be in compromising situations, should put himself so squarely in one, with all the possibilities of blackmail that that entailed, especially as he has daughters, who would be tainted by this.

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PonderLand · 19/11/2019 11:35

He slipped up when he was telling Emily what they're conversation was about in the park. I can't remember the exact words but it was something like 'we could no longer be friends because of what I... he has been doing' we paused and rewound it soo many times because we could not believe what we were watching.

rrg1 · 19/11/2019 11:43

The BIG question is why are paedophiles and procurers of children allowed to get anywhere near the royal family?

Jimmy Savile, was introduced into royal circles by Lord Mountbatten, uncle and mentor to prince charles, who had child abuse accusations made against him with evidence.

Now Epstein!

Lets not forget about the vetting by security services that individuals indeed go through to get within spitting distance of the royal family.

Andrews admission during the interview, Epstein was at Beartices 18th birthday party (along with the queen) and visited Sandringham.

Savile was a constant in royal circles, even bought in for marriage guidance for charles and Diana.

It's not difficult to join the dots. For anyone interested in finding facts, take a look at research done by Shaun Attwood with over 100 videos on the Epstein case:
www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLPT_cCpNMvT73vjeimfkttju80FKKlH52

YellowSkyBlue · 19/11/2019 11:44

Yep key code words used in trafficking and abuse of children. Look into it. I could not believe what I was hearing. Do not want to go into detail here.

rrg1 · 19/11/2019 11:52

YellowSkyBlue

That jumped out to me too. Pizza!

Moomin8 · 19/11/2019 11:54

The BIG question is why are paedophiles and procurers of children allowed to get anywhere near the royal family?

Quite!!!

Moomin8 · 19/11/2019 11:54

I noticed the code words too.

IamPickleRick · 19/11/2019 11:55

I don’t understand the codewords thing, was he using language involved in trafficking or recognised slang? Or veiled threats?

LoyaltyBonus · 19/11/2019 11:57

Royal males (maybe all men with privilege?) have always had decidedly dodgy sexual habits. It was more acceptable in the past and thank god that's changing.

What is it about their position that makes them so odd?

LoyaltyBonus · 19/11/2019 11:58

Someone needs to explain the code words please. Who was he talking in code to?

peridito · 19/11/2019 11:58

well I think we need a link to explain about code words !

ControversialFerret · 19/11/2019 11:59

One negotiates when one is in a less favourable position. Perhaps if the other party happens to know - or have evidence - of wrongdoing. Rather difficult to take the moral high ground and cut someone off without a backwards glance, if that person has something on you.

Pure speculation of course.

ComeOnGordon · 19/11/2019 12:02

@babydog I only managed to watch the first 10-15 mins. The way he was being so arrogant made me very uncomfortable but I agree with your point about going to see JE to tell him they shouldn’t be seen together anymore. Which was even more strange since he claims they weren’t close friends. Surely he just wouldn’t have returned any of his calls or messages if they weren’t close. And that they shouldn’t be seen together just shows me that he was involved because anyone not involved would have been disgusted and horrified by what JE did

ComeOnGordon · 19/11/2019 12:03

I mean it would be more than just “we shouldn’t be seen together”. You’d be telling your friend you wanted nothing more to do with them

ControversialFerret · 19/11/2019 12:03

Oh and FWIW "child prostitution" and "child pornography" are inappropriate terms because prostitution and pornography are consensual adult acts. Children cannot consent to sexual activity. It's child abuse.

rrg1 · 19/11/2019 12:04

I found these freedom of information request knock backs for Savile and Cyril Smith rather telling:

www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/vetting_for_honours_awards

A friend who got an OBE was seriously vetted before her royal encounter!

DobbyTheHouseElk · 19/11/2019 12:12

Please explain the codes words, or why they are code words.

On another thread I read about the clock in the background telling a different story, I couldn’t follow the clock, but time wasn’t as it was in the interview so I guess they stopped filming and things. I did notice the bottle and two glasses, the level went down. I was wondering what it was, too yellow for water.

Wendyasbury · 19/11/2019 12:14

Someone needs to explain the code words Shock

AndWhat · 19/11/2019 12:27

He never seemed to acknowledge JE guilt, he said after his ‘plea bargain’ almost as though he hadn’t been found guilty.

Also if he wasn’t friends with JE just his girlfriend why would he need to meet up with him to say I’m not going to be friends with you anymore?

I bet Beatrice and Eugenie are devestated by their father.

babydog · 19/11/2019 12:38

He slipped up when he was telling Emily what they're conversation was about in the park. I can't remember the exact words but it was something like 'we could no longer be friends because of what I... he has been doing' we paused and rewound it soo many times because we could not believe what we were watching

yes! @ponderland he did say that didn't he!!

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IamPickleRick · 19/11/2019 12:39

I also found the celebratory dinner to mark Epstein’s release and I kind of wish Emily hadn’t said “guest of honour” because it instantly gave him a denial, i wasn’t guest of honour scoff scoff scoff instead of focusing on the fact he was at a dinner to celebrate a paedophile getting out of jail.

Rainbunny · 19/11/2019 12:50

Yes -someone please explain the code words!!

Also, I think PA was mind blowingly stupid to give the interview but even more stupid to continue denying that he has ever met Virginia Roberts. The photo is almost certainly not a fake and apparently the FBI are satisfied with its authenticity.

Apart from anything else, at some point Ghislaine Maxwell will emerge and she will be facing very serious criminal charges, she'll almost certainly be looking for a plea deal in which she'll be spilling the beans on who did what, who knew what etc.

As a side note, where the fuck is she? I have no sympathy for her and hope she faces all the justice she deserves. I do however wonder if she's in fear for her life, especially as Epstein's death was so questionable...

rrg1 · 19/11/2019 13:12

Personally, my guess he is going to be the fall guy for many of those in Epstein's little black book (un-retracted version is available)

Why?

Because he is unlikely to be prosecuted due to his royal status and his mother already declined an earlier request for the FBI to speak to him.

If he takes the fall, he can resign from royal duties and lead his party lifestyle supported by the wealthy friends he has protected. If not, then business as usual!

Looks like a win win to me!

I may be totally wrong and this blows the whole lid off elites and child abuse, but I doubt it. You only have to look what has happened to Mike Veal's (Chief Constable of Wiltshire Police) investigation into Ted Heath, the fact the report has now been buried by the Home Office and the abuse he received, prior during and subsequent to the investigation.