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Anyone Medical - Awful situation - Please please help

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PearTreeParty · 18/11/2019 10:36

Posting here for traffic.

DF in hospital and we are allegedly at 'the end' but I am not sure if a mistake has been made....

I’ll try to keep the medical history brief, but it’s been eleven long months so distilling to the essentials is hard.

DF admitted to hospital due to shortness of breath. Fluid discovered around his lungs.
Lungs drained of litres of fluid, and sent home after a few days.
Within 24 hours, shortness of breath returned. Back to hospital
More fluid build up. Drained but kept returning. Doctors say that are going to think about a solution.
Four weeks later (regular draining) they are still ‘thinking’. They now say he has picked up an infection which makes some of their ideas more challenging.
Seven weeks of nothing happening other than DF weak due to prolonged stay, fluid on lungs and infection.
Doctor announces he will try to operate to glue the tear that is allowing fluid in – yay.
Hospital were surgery needs to happen has no beds, we have to wait. Meanwhile DF has to stay put (seems to be getting worse).
Hospital says he now has a kidney infection. They give him water tablets to try and flush it out.
TWELVE weeks later, there is a bed. He is moved.
New hospital says that he is too weak to operate due to being in hospital for 12 weeks. He has to get stronger…
DF rallies and tries to eat/sit up etc to get ‘stronger’. Water tablets continue
Hospital tell us that the water tablets weren’t a ‘great idea’ as they have not helped with the fluid. Not sure if they can operate.
He is returned to original hospital with no plan and a definite kidney issue.

At this point, I can’t go into everything that happens but cue 8 months of tinkering and experimenting with tablets and two ‘back and forth’ between hospitals where ultimately nothing happens.

Fast forward to two weeks ago. DF now very weak. Multiple bed sores, fluid on lungs and around other organs, kidneys very weak – wee very brown and minimal.

We keep encouraging him, telling him they know what they are doing, keep strong etc etc. DF trying to be a trooper but very tired. Odd spurts of appetite and energy. Perfectly coherent, frustrated but keeping the faith.

Two Monday’s ago, we went to visit in the morning and he was completely changed. His pupils were dilated, he could barely move and his speech was almost completely gone – like he had a huge tennis ball in his mouth. It was immediately apparent that he had suffered a stroke. I asked the nurse what had happened and he said he didn’t know. I asked for a Docotr but he wasn’t due till the afternoon. I found the head of the ward and told her that he had clearly suffered a stroke and was told that there was ‘’no record of this happening’. She wouldn’t look at him.

I waitied all afternoon for the consultant to do his rounds and when he came he examined DF and said if might be ‘thrush’ making his tongue fat…. I pointed out that he couldn’t move, and his pupils were fixed and dilated. It was also completely obvious that the speech wasn’t caused by thrush on his tongue (although I believe a tongue can swell as a result of a stroke). He was struggling to form simple words and hugely frustrated. They would not concede he had suffered a stroke or take him for a scan.

The next day he was worse. No speech. I told them he was worse. Nothing happened. This went on for five days. On the sixth day they scanned him and said it wasn’t clear that a stroke had happened (even though my DF is now ‘locked in’ unable to talk and now unable to see.

Eventually someone said in passing (rather than formally to us) that yes he had suffered a large stroke about a week ago followed by a series of smaller strokes so they would start administering blood thinners (too late obviously).

DF is now just lying there unable to communicate, see or move.

A week ago, they told us his kidneys had failed completely and there was a build up of potassium that would eventually cause his heart to stop. We asked what our options were and were told the kindest thing would be palliative care. We were already angry but in our devastation agreed to what ever was the least upsetting for DF at this stage. Last Tuesday, they took the fluid drip away and withdrew all the treatment they were giving him and told us it would probably take a few hours. A priest came. It is now Monday. He is exactly the same. Locked in staring at us. He has not died. His breathing is steady. No doctors come in to the room now because he is on ‘palliative care’ but I am terrified that they have made a mistake. Because of what has happened, I have no faith in anything that they say and I ask the nurses what they think and they shake their heads and say that what is happeing is ‘terrible’.

I don’t know what to think. I love the NHS, I am not interested in suing or trying to be litigious but I am scared to death that DF has had no fluid for 6 days now and this may be a terrible awful mistake.

Does anyone medical have ANY opinion that will either spur me to demand he is re-examined or give me some peace of mind? Thank you.

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zsazsajuju · 20/11/2019 20:23

Flowers op hope things have improved

ThatLibraryMiss · 20/11/2019 20:38

The hospice provides a peaceful environment set up specifically to help people like your dad and their families. The medical team are experts in what your dad (and you) need right now. They'll support him and you much better than a general ward.

ohfourfoxache · 20/11/2019 21:40

Oh Pear Sad

I’m going to echo everyone else on here, if you get the chance of getting to a hospice then bite their hand off; they won’t transfer him if it’s not clinically appropriate (and that’s the hospice’s call, not the hospital’s - the hospice won’t accept the referral if he isn’t able to make the journey).

You might find it helpful to call your local hospice and see what they say, because at this point I wouldn’t trust a single fucking thing the hospital tells you 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬

You shouldn’t be going through this lovely xx

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Wilmalovescake · 20/11/2019 21:48

I’m so sorry OP.
Get to the hospice is you get offered it. They know what they’re doing there. Otherwise, make as much noise as you can. Demand daily consultant review. Make a nuisance of yourself at PALS. It shouldn’t be that the squeaky wheel gets the grease but unfortunately it often is.

Meathmum · 20/11/2019 21:52

Im truely shocked this has happened to your dad. Ge seems to have been mismanaged from the beginning which has only gotten worse. There is no excuse for this level of incompetence by all staff looking after your dad. If the hospice an option go for it, your dad will hopefully gain some proper management as will you and your family. You should definitely seek to meet the medical / nursing staff when you are able for it.

PearTreeParty · 21/11/2019 10:50

We said 'yes' to the hospice, but he died a few hours later.

Thank you for everything. I am going to take a few days to process the death and then decide if i want to make any kind of complaint - right now, I don't have the energy. Thank you all.

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NormaBean · 21/11/2019 10:54

So sorry for everything you’ve been through, OP.

I hope you can manage to find some peace over the next few days Flowers

helacells · 21/11/2019 11:06

Oh my goodness my condolences what you and your DH were put through was horrendous. What has happened to the NHS? It sounds like third world treatment! You should definitely challenge this.

Dowser · 21/11/2019 11:16

Oh Pear
I am so very sorry to hear this.
Yes don’t push yourself too hard.
Take time to adjust to what you’ve been through.
He sounded like a lovely dad ..and a proper fighter
When you feel able maybe come back and tell us some of your fond memories of him.
Thinking of you and your family.

Childlaw2014 · 21/11/2019 11:18

Op this is how brainwashed we are with the NHS. We do pay for it actually just not at the point of service.

I spent weeks with my df on a ward whilst he was passing away. It's not beyond criticism. My df had almost everything your describing except the stroke.
We dabbed mouth with sponges whilst he was on palliative care... He could not sallow.
The care through out was patchy. The consultant was hideous.
Everyone... It's highly likely this is how many of us will die.
Do we want this?

Left lying without fluids on a bed? I cannot imagine df care if I wasn't there to be with him! Imagine ops df if she wasn't there?

Personally I would like to state on a legal document now.. When I'm ill at what stage I'd like to be finished off. I do not want to die like this. I really really don't.

Op, huge hugs... Remember he can probably hear you, I played df soft music, songs he liked, chatted to him etc... Someone did come in and put oil over him and massaged him (student ward support)... Good luck.

But also think whether you want this, it's very common, I know I've sat on the ward for weeks....

LarkDescending · 21/11/2019 11:35

So sorry for your loss OP Flowers

ohfourfoxache · 21/11/2019 12:09

Oh Pear I am so, so sorry

Sending a gentle hug, you’re in my thoughts x

TheBouquets · 21/11/2019 12:16

I am so sorry to hear of the death of your DF.

Take care of you

AllTheUserNamesAreTaken · 21/11/2019 12:44

So sorry for your loss op. What you have been through is horrific and I can’t imagine how you are feeling

Take some time to grieve and then make a complaint to the hospital - it may help you get some answers and to understand what was happening. I think you may regret it if you don’t

If you are not satisfied with what they say in their final response you can then ask the Health Service Ombudsman to look at your complaints.

Although you need some time to grieve, please be mindful of time limits involved in making and pursuing complaints. Once you make the complaint, you need to act promptly when the ball is in your court, so to speak.

Once again, so sorry for what you and your DF have been through Flowers

Diy2019 · 21/11/2019 12:52

Sorry for your loss Flowers

Childlaw2014 · 21/11/2019 13:04

Pear I'm so sorry I see your df has already passed away.
I had a very similar experience, very similar.

itwaseverthus · 21/11/2019 13:30

I am so sorry your df passed away. Take good care of yourself for now, you will need strength for the coming months. Flowers

SugarMiceInTheRain · 21/11/2019 13:36

I'm so sorry, sending hugs to you and your family. Be kind to yourself Flowers

RageAgainstTheVendingMachine · 21/11/2019 14:00

I am so so sorry pear Daffodil Take care of you X

Honeyroar · 21/11/2019 14:06

I’m so sorry for your loss. At least he’s at peace now. I hope you can take comfort in what the medical people said on here that there may well have been this outcome anyway, even if they haven’t handled it very well. And also remember that you have been there for him fighting his corner and giving him reassurance and comfort all the way. You’ve been wonderful and he knew that.

PutYourBackIntoit · 21/11/2019 14:11

I'm so sorry Pear that you have had to watch your Dad suffer in this way. It will be hard to accept and grieve in these circumstances, so try and be as kind to yourself as possible. 😢

I lost my 71 year old Dad in September. It's so shit. Flowers

Memom · 21/11/2019 18:08

So sorry for your loss. I hope you have someone to support you through this awful time. Take care of yourself Thanks

granadagirl · 21/11/2019 19:02

Absolutely applauding!
Hospital wards and some nhs homes are running well below par.
OP
Please forget about being pleasant and get some anger, your df was just a number in there!. If you don’t speak up loud for him, he’s just going to be left
I’ve found only from a couple of hospital and home mistakes to family members

When fil went into care as his wife could no longer look after him(dementia)
When he went in there, he was walking(just) smiling , the odd word but not a sentence, eating well and drinking well.

After about 4 weeks in there, he never spoke, wasn’t moving about
Only eating/drinking if you gave it him. Couple weeks later, his foot was heavily bandaged. I asked as my dp(his son) didn’t want to make a fuss😳 turns out pressure sores.
We’d go and he’d be in the same chair, drink and biscuit left ( because you have to feed it him) I really wanted to blast them, but couldn’t because his wife thought it was ok there.
Within 2.5 mths he ended up in a&e with really bad pressure sore top of leg.
The sister of the ward said she’d never seen any so bad, off the scale!!

I could go on, but I won’t. It upsets me to remember

What I want to say is don’t leave it to them, because it want get done or it’s forgotten about.
You need to get the reigns here, and tell them what you want for your df last days.

I would bloody sue, if my df. Why should they be able to treat a human being this way.

granadagirl · 21/11/2019 19:03

Omg, I must of missed that page, him passing

So so sorry

EleanorLavish · 21/11/2019 20:18

So, so sorry for your loss. Heartbreaking to see you story here.
You do have time, Pear, there is no rush.
I spoke earlier if how my friend has very similar circumstances and she was very pleased with how things went once she felt strong enough to tackle the issues.
Don’t be rushed.
Flowers