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Anyone Medical - Awful situation - Please please help

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PearTreeParty · 18/11/2019 10:36

Posting here for traffic.

DF in hospital and we are allegedly at 'the end' but I am not sure if a mistake has been made....

I’ll try to keep the medical history brief, but it’s been eleven long months so distilling to the essentials is hard.

DF admitted to hospital due to shortness of breath. Fluid discovered around his lungs.
Lungs drained of litres of fluid, and sent home after a few days.
Within 24 hours, shortness of breath returned. Back to hospital
More fluid build up. Drained but kept returning. Doctors say that are going to think about a solution.
Four weeks later (regular draining) they are still ‘thinking’. They now say he has picked up an infection which makes some of their ideas more challenging.
Seven weeks of nothing happening other than DF weak due to prolonged stay, fluid on lungs and infection.
Doctor announces he will try to operate to glue the tear that is allowing fluid in – yay.
Hospital were surgery needs to happen has no beds, we have to wait. Meanwhile DF has to stay put (seems to be getting worse).
Hospital says he now has a kidney infection. They give him water tablets to try and flush it out.
TWELVE weeks later, there is a bed. He is moved.
New hospital says that he is too weak to operate due to being in hospital for 12 weeks. He has to get stronger…
DF rallies and tries to eat/sit up etc to get ‘stronger’. Water tablets continue
Hospital tell us that the water tablets weren’t a ‘great idea’ as they have not helped with the fluid. Not sure if they can operate.
He is returned to original hospital with no plan and a definite kidney issue.

At this point, I can’t go into everything that happens but cue 8 months of tinkering and experimenting with tablets and two ‘back and forth’ between hospitals where ultimately nothing happens.

Fast forward to two weeks ago. DF now very weak. Multiple bed sores, fluid on lungs and around other organs, kidneys very weak – wee very brown and minimal.

We keep encouraging him, telling him they know what they are doing, keep strong etc etc. DF trying to be a trooper but very tired. Odd spurts of appetite and energy. Perfectly coherent, frustrated but keeping the faith.

Two Monday’s ago, we went to visit in the morning and he was completely changed. His pupils were dilated, he could barely move and his speech was almost completely gone – like he had a huge tennis ball in his mouth. It was immediately apparent that he had suffered a stroke. I asked the nurse what had happened and he said he didn’t know. I asked for a Docotr but he wasn’t due till the afternoon. I found the head of the ward and told her that he had clearly suffered a stroke and was told that there was ‘’no record of this happening’. She wouldn’t look at him.

I waitied all afternoon for the consultant to do his rounds and when he came he examined DF and said if might be ‘thrush’ making his tongue fat…. I pointed out that he couldn’t move, and his pupils were fixed and dilated. It was also completely obvious that the speech wasn’t caused by thrush on his tongue (although I believe a tongue can swell as a result of a stroke). He was struggling to form simple words and hugely frustrated. They would not concede he had suffered a stroke or take him for a scan.

The next day he was worse. No speech. I told them he was worse. Nothing happened. This went on for five days. On the sixth day they scanned him and said it wasn’t clear that a stroke had happened (even though my DF is now ‘locked in’ unable to talk and now unable to see.

Eventually someone said in passing (rather than formally to us) that yes he had suffered a large stroke about a week ago followed by a series of smaller strokes so they would start administering blood thinners (too late obviously).

DF is now just lying there unable to communicate, see or move.

A week ago, they told us his kidneys had failed completely and there was a build up of potassium that would eventually cause his heart to stop. We asked what our options were and were told the kindest thing would be palliative care. We were already angry but in our devastation agreed to what ever was the least upsetting for DF at this stage. Last Tuesday, they took the fluid drip away and withdrew all the treatment they were giving him and told us it would probably take a few hours. A priest came. It is now Monday. He is exactly the same. Locked in staring at us. He has not died. His breathing is steady. No doctors come in to the room now because he is on ‘palliative care’ but I am terrified that they have made a mistake. Because of what has happened, I have no faith in anything that they say and I ask the nurses what they think and they shake their heads and say that what is happeing is ‘terrible’.

I don’t know what to think. I love the NHS, I am not interested in suing or trying to be litigious but I am scared to death that DF has had no fluid for 6 days now and this may be a terrible awful mistake.

Does anyone medical have ANY opinion that will either spur me to demand he is re-examined or give me some peace of mind? Thank you.

OP posts:
Wehttam · 19/11/2019 00:01

OP I know exactly what you are going through, exactly one year ago today my mother passed from Ovarian Cancer. The week leading up to her passing was a very similar situation to your fathers, she had a brain haemorrhage and all fluids were stopped and she was placed on a driver. I could not bear the thought of her being aware of what was happening so I made sure that she was given the highest legal doses of sedative and pain relief until the very end. It’s truly the worst situation to find yourself in, the hours sat by her bedside waiting for her to take her final breath seemed like being trapped in hell on earth. We were fortunate to receive incredible care and support from the staff at the hospital, to hear you are not makes me feel very angry and sad.

The feelings of guilt and what if scenarios play through my head even today, I have a fear that we condemned her to a slow death and often panic thinking she knew exactly what was happening to her. It’s truly an awful situation but my advice is to be sure to look after yourself.

Thinking of you OP.

Emmapeeler1 · 19/11/2019 00:07

I agree re. A&E. The OPs DF’s stroke was dismissed outright by the staff on the ward. It’s scandalous that elderly people are treated this way in hospitals (and besides, 75 isn’t even elderly).

ohfourfoxache · 19/11/2019 12:29

How are you doing @PearTreeParty?

(Please don’t feel obliged to respond, just thinking of you all x)

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about these subjects:

middlemuddle · 19/11/2019 14:18

Its devastating to read this thread, I cannot imagine your pain OP. NHS cutbacks or not, every person should be able to pass away in a caring and peaceful environment where there is the opportunity.

HeyPizza · 19/11/2019 15:53

Thinking of you Flowers

Bigbopboo · 19/11/2019 17:01

How is your dad today? X

RuffleCrow · 19/11/2019 17:17

I'm furious on your behalf that a nurse refused to acknowledge or failed to recognise that your df had had a stroke. Surely that's just basic training?! Nothing constructive to add I'm afraid but i hope you all get the help and support you deserve.

PearTreeParty · 20/11/2019 17:20

Hello All. Thank you for your continued support. I am sad to see that this is fairly commonplace - I suppose I hadn't realised just how challenged the NHS was because I have only ever had minimal need for / ok experiences with them. I feel sorry for the Nurses who are so well meaning but seem to be lacking in support, structure and information, one of them told me last night that she didn't know he was on palliative care and had been worried that he was not on fluids...

So the update is that he has been hanging in there - starring up at the ceiling and occasionally turning his head towards us, but this morning they called and said that there had been some changes in his breathing and death was imminent. So we dashed up there at 5am but as of 17:15, he is still with us. At about 4pm someone asked if us if we wanted him moved to a hospice. It's so frustrating as I can't understand why you would suggest a move at this stage - at the beginning of the dying process, we would have bitten their hand off, but I ended up just starting at them and saying "What are you talking about? We don't have time."

I think this is as hard as anything. We keep preparing ourselves because they tell us to, and then the timelines stops making sense, so then we are having to do it all over again.

To whoever suggested pineapple juice - thank you. And to @ohfourfoxache, I did exactly what you suggested and played him some music today. I think he was enjoying it but it's so hard to tell.

Sorry for everyone that has been through similar. I will keep you all posted.

OP posts:
EleanorLavish · 20/11/2019 17:29

Personally I'd consider the hospice, if you think he could cope with the trip?
At least they would know how to give basic care...
Lovely that he appeared to enjoy the music.Flowers

Chimpfield · 20/11/2019 17:52

Keep playing the music, the only thing that calmed my mum. I can't tell you how much energy and light I'm sending for you and your family, and I shall continue to do so x

AutumnRose1 · 20/11/2019 17:55

OP I feel for you muchly!

I’d consider the hospice. I had the opposite in that I thought dad should have been moved earlier. It was a much more peaceful place.

All the hugs Flowers

Horsemad · 20/11/2019 17:58

So sorry to hear your update. It really does sound as if the whole process has been shambolic. Flowers for you PearTreeParty.

Does your Dad have a favourite book you could read a few passages from? Someone I know did that for a close relative of theirs and I thought it was a lovely thing to do.

Thinking of you.

Bluerussian · 20/11/2019 18:13

Do go for the hospice option, Pear. They really know their stuff in hospices, even if it's only for a day or so your dad will be more comfortable. My father in law went into a hospital, he wasn't there long before he died but he went from home and at home the MacMillan team made sure he was in no pain.

Bless you, I hope his suffering will soon come to an end, it must be hard for you to watch.

This thread will certainly make all of us think about what arrangements we can make (if we can, not everyone will be able to), for our terminal care if necessary.

Oliversmumsarmy · 20/11/2019 18:40

I think what makes this all so tragic is that if he had been diagnosed and operated on at the start none of this would have happened

Loopytiles · 20/11/2019 18:43

YY to hospice.

lazymum99 · 20/11/2019 19:26

If you can, go for the hospice. My dad went from home to a hospice never regained consciousness but they really know what they are going in these circumstances they are very peaceful and supportive environments. Not sure what part of London you’re in but Trinity Hospice in Clapham is wonderful.

Supersimkin2 · 20/11/2019 19:33

YYY to the hospice. Why? He'll live longer and be much more comfortable.

Hospices know how to administer palliative care and the nurses are competent.

Hospice doctors are trained in end of life care, unlike hospital doctors.

AlphaBravoCharlieDelta · 20/11/2019 19:35

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Supersimkin2 · 20/11/2019 19:41

OP, now even NHS staff are terrified of going into hospital. If you have a chance to get out, take it.

Dowser · 20/11/2019 19:43

Yes, hospice..but tell them to only move him tomorrow..not now, at night.
Your poor , poor dad
You’ve all been treated abominably

Bluntness100 · 20/11/2019 19:47

Op, I don't even know how to write this, and by the time you read it, he may have passed, and I'm so sorry for everything your family is going through.

I just wished to say when my grandmother passed they told us it was that day, we rushed over there, it took another week. The doctor said she was getting "enough morphine to kill a strong man". Her heart simply would not stop. All her other organs had basically failed, it was horrific and very tough for everyone. 💐

It really is hard for them to predict, on this I'm sorry, and they need to err on the side of caution, for your sake. 💐

Longfacenow · 20/11/2019 19:55

I'm so sorry to read your update OP. Lots of people are too poorly to safely transfer to the hospice but if they think he may be with you for even a day longer I really recommend a hospice. Staff there will be specialists, compassionate, skilled in supporting the whole family too as they support people from the point at which an illness is serious onwards to end of life.

Best wishes to you all.

ScrimshawTheSecond · 20/11/2019 20:01

Love to you and your family, @PearTreeParty.

Joerev · 20/11/2019 20:17

Holy shit op. I’ve had some bad care. But this is appalling. Please get the care commissioner involved. No one will not listen to him/her!

I am praying for you all. I’m in the south. But if you ever need anything. Then please contact me. Please. I wi try and help. Friend of mine has a similar story to your husband. It’s horrific

Emmapeeler1 · 20/11/2019 20:17

Sending love to you and your family @PearTreeParty. I can’t imagine what you are going through. I think you should think about the hospice - they will support you and your family too.

Flowers