Would you vote Labour if you earned over £80,000?

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When doing more research on labours tax policies DH and I noticed that this starts from salaries of £80,000. This would effect our household as that is DHs salary. We both agree with their campaign for 'no more billionaires'.. but we aren't billionaires. We are a normal family who live a comfortable but far from luxury lifestyle. We're both torn how to vote, as it would usually be labour.

How can anyone begrudge a few extra ££ a month to improve health, education, housing etc?

@bintheredunthat I don’t think anyone does but the choice is not as simple as that.

How can anyone begrudge a few extra ££ a month to improve health, education, housing etc?

Because you would have to be 100% economically-illiterate to believe that a small tax rise could possibly pay for Labour’s gigantic giveaways.

Which 'giveaways' are you referring to? Have you had an advance copy of the manifesto?

Combined, my husband and I earn well over £80k (more like triple that through the businesses we own). We're both voting labour. We have a fantastic MP and both grew up relatively poor and believe in redistribution/higher taxation. But in all honestly labour won't win so we're not frightened of 'losing everything' like everyone seems to be.

All these people saying they'll vote Lib Dem - you do realise that effectively makes you a Tory?
If you live in a seat where the Lib Dems might get in, you're enabling the Tory coalition that the Lib Dems have said they'll support in the event of a hung Parliament.

If you live in a seat where the Lib Dems have no chance of getting in, then you're taking a vote away from a Labour candidate who might have had a chance (obvious handful of non-Tory or Labour seats such as Brighton, or SNP seats, notwithstanding).

So if you're fine with that, then that's ok - but vote Lib Dem in the conscience that you're enabling 5 more years of BoJo.

I earn more than that. I don’t know who I will vote for but it categorically will NEVER be the Tories.

Some posters have pointed out that the Tories also have issues with racism. If it’s to the same extent as Labour, then how come they’re not also being investigated by the EHRC? For context, the only other party to have been formally investigated since the EHRC was founded is the BNP.

It’s £8.30 more a month.
It will help fund hospitals and schools.
Don’t believe all the media smears. Do your own research, talk to your local labour candidate. Read the manifesto when it is publishes.

Separate the two issues - tax and labour voting.

You absolutely can afford additional tax. It will also be quite a small amount. Do you worry about people earning £12,501 and having to pay tax?

Tax is not a punishment. It gives us the opportunity to have a better society for everyone - NHS, education, social care. Your family will directly benefit.

As a high earner, in our society you earn well because other people earn little. Work is not allocated pay on merit alone. My family will also be affected by this tax but I can only view it as positive and we will happily pay it.

At 80k you are in a very small percentage of earners in the UK. Your comfortable is probably someone else's very well off. Do you think nothing of getting a coffee, planning a family holiday, getting shoes for you or the kids? Then you are doing well. If you are.paying a mortgage and never need to worry about losing your house, then you are safe rather than comfortable and that is pretty much priceless.

Embrace tax as a positive community effort. It's not a punishment. The idea of voting only on what benefits you, especially when you don't need it, makes me quite sad.

I wouldn’t vote Labour if my derrière was on fire and Jeremy Corbyn was stood next to me holding a bucket of water!

Cendrillonsings
No one is suggesting that a small rise in income tax for higher earners will be enough to reverse the damage done to our country through Austerity.
The OP was concerned about the effect on her own finances.
As you said it’s actually only a small tax rise & certainly not big enough to make me choose 5 more years of the Tories.

I suggest waiting until the Labour Party publish their fully costed manifesto before talking about ‘Gigantic giveaways’.
Will be interesting to see if the Conservative manifesto will be costed this time, it wasn’t last time.

Labours gone mental again so no we're not voting labour.

DH earns just over £80K and I earn just over £50K. We’re a fairly “normal” family but absolutely aware that we’re also very fortunate. We’d both happily pay higher taxes in return for decent public services and an end to the vilification of the poor, sick and disabled, and the scapegoating of immigrants.

I will vote Labour this time but only to try to stop the despicable Johnson and his terrible-deal Brexit. I really can’t understand why anyone thinks that Johnson is fit to be PM. He’s a corrupt liar who treats everyone with contempt.

I live in a Lab/Con marginal. Our current Labour MP is a vocal remainer and is a good, active local MP. She appears also to be supportive of her Jewish colleagues and hasn’t said anything particularly deranged or misogynistic. So I’m happy to have her represent me, even though I don’t like Corbyn.

As a PP said, we can undo Corbyn, but we can’t undo Brexit. Realistically, Corbyn isn’t going to win, so whatever far left policies you’re afraid of are not going to be enacted.

I’m hoping for another hung parliament and a PV.

I can’t fully support any of the parties. If anyone knows of a left of centre party in England that has evidence-based rather than faith-based policies please let me know.

I can’t vote for racist labour with their ridiculous policies
I can’t vote for Lib Dem’s with their attitude to women.
I can’t vote Tory cos Tory.
I can’t vote Brexit party see Tory
I can’t vote SNP because they’re despicable
I can’t vote greens cos they’re a shambles

Is there anyone left?
I have a living grandmother who was born before women could vote, it matters to me that I do.

@WiseUpJanetWeiss
As a PP said, we can undo Corbyn, but we can’t undo Brexit

Do you follow international news? If so, you'll known that Corbyn has been lamenting the 'coup' against the Bolivian dictator Morales.

It wasnt a coup. They have a rule of two terms only for a president (like the USA). Morales changed the law so he could continue to serve an illegal third term.

This would have been his fourth term. He rigged the election (blatantly) & the people & other politicians finally had enough & booted him out.

Corbyn immediately says how wrong & awful this is.

He has said similar re Venezuela where the country has been brought to its knees.

& see his unquestioning support for Putin, Iran etc.

People need to pay attention. He is making it very clear where he stands. He is not a believer in liberal democracy or even any kind of democracy.

See how he, McDonnell, mccluskey, milne etc. Have seized the power in the labour party & will NEVER relinquish it.

Yes, he's a rabid antisemite, but the bigger picture is very, very frightening in other ways too.

I would like to see the costed manifesto too. Paying £8 extra when there are so a few higher rate tax payers is NOT going to balance the books for Labour.

The BT nationalise idea is completely bonkers. Not only are they going to try and nationalise parts of BT with all the costs that entails they are planning to give BB for free to everyone. I don’t need free broadband, there are 600 other internet providers. That idiot is talking about nationalising them too!!

No one will want to invest in the technology either within the UK or overseas. There will be no return.

The taxing the technology giants will result in them moving to other more tax efficient countries. Why wouldn’t they. If we really don’t approve of Amazon then bloody well stop using them! I can hear the howls of disapproval and how you couldn’t possibly do this.

So Labour have made themselves unelectable. It’s almost as though they are doing it on purpose.

I would love a strong opposition. Kier and Abbott are keeping overly quiet. They have tucked Abbott away as she is a complete incompetent but she could be the next FS. Is anyone scared stiff of this?

McDonnell - well words fail me. He wants state own everything and after all it worked in South Korea as though that has everything to do with it

I would if Corbyn wasn't in charge.

I have no problems with paying a decent level of tax to ensure funding for hospitals, schools, adult social care etc improves. If you want a decent welfare state you have to pay for it.

However, his stance on Brexit has been bloody confusing. I just don't think he's that smart or that competent. And he's as entrenched with the extreme left as Boris is with the extreme right....

If the party was led by someone like Keir Starmer, Stella Creasy, David Lammy, Yvette Cooper etc then I'd vote for them in a heartbeat.

A number of pension providers invest in BT. With much smaller returns due to the government bonds that McDonnell is suggesting will effect pensioners both within BT and within the outside pension companies. McDonnell stated that he would guarantee all that would be safe.

How??.

Both Yvette and Kier have been very quiet. It’s almost like they have let the looney left get on with it and are embarrassed with what has happened.

I don’t think either of them want the leadership now. It’s too toxic

I wouldn’t vote labour regardless of income .

I have worked extensively with both local and health authorities as a supplier. The waste and endless meetings are almost criminal.

I would look immediately at bursaries for nurses. Don’t make it so so difficult to become a DR, otherwise you will be forced to recruit from abroad. Government departments often cannot see the wood for the trees and there are tons of cottage industries within various government depts who just push paperwork around and make no decisions on anything. They want to justify their own roles.

There is one particular central government dept that has sat on the fence for so long that it has cost them over £1 m due to their inability to decide what they want to do next.

The Conservatives have had nine years to sort out the "wasteful" departments Sunglasses - why haven't they?

We've lost 66 billion (and they rest) on Brexit.

I suggest waiting until the Labour Party publish their fully costed manifesto before talking about ‘Gigantic giveaways’.

Don’t need to, the broadband figures have already been published and people are already saying ‘er, John, it’s going to cost a lot more than that’.