Would you vote Labour if you earned over £80,000?

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When doing more research on labours tax policies DH and I noticed that this starts from salaries of £80,000. This would effect our household as that is DHs salary. We both agree with their campaign for 'no more billionaires'.. but we aren't billionaires. We are a normal family who live a comfortable but far from luxury lifestyle. We're both torn how to vote, as it would usually be labour.

user1497207191 What a rude post! You pose a question to FixTheBone and then purport to answer it yourself without being interested in the actual answer which can by definition only be answered by FixTheBone herself.

Vote lib dem

Lol at not getting 30 hrs funding for pre-schoolers is being 'fleeced'. You're only one generation removed from when you paid for every single hour of childcare.

I do earn over £80k and I will be voting Labour. They are not a perfect party but I think they are better than the Conservatives and where I live there is no hope of Lib Dem success.

I wouldn’t vote for them whatever I earned.

Or not for Corbyn’s party, I have voted Labour in the past.

We both earn well above that threshold. We are historically labour voters but won’t be doing so in the forthcoming elections.
Nothing to do with tax. We’re happy to pay increased tax for better public services.
We aren’t voting labour because the are unelectable at the moment. We dislike their indifference to Brexit. We believe Corbin is an agitator without appetite for government and doesn’t really want Number 10.
Tactically, LDs are more likely to win a seat than labour here and we’d do anything to boot Johnson out or at least ensure a minority government. Sadly ours will be wasted votes as the local soul is blue to the earths core.

User1497 what do you mean by “continue to take on the extra shift”? Do you mean all NHS staff should work overtime whether they want to or not? My dh works on average 55 hours a week already why should he do any more? Are you a believer in enforced overtime for all workers? including yourself?
Oh and for your information most “part time” Doctors end up trying to fit full time work into part time hours!
And dh is near the top of the consultant pay scale and is already getting whacked for tax don’t worry - especially on his pension contributions. No he won’t do extra waiting lists or clinics because it won’t make one iota of difference. They don’t have enough consultants, nurses, or enough theatre space or equipment, because the hospital can’t afford them - those are the things that would make a difference.

Under this Government dh has seen the service he built up in our local hospital slowly crumble thanks to austerity measures.
Why the fuck would he flog himself to death working even more hours?

At £80K you're only being taxed about £20 more per month. It won't break the bank and it will have enormous benefits, so obviously vote Labour.

In fact, I believe at £80K you're only at the threshold so won't even pay, it's after this point. Don't be taken in by headlines.

The NHS and our health system is flabby.
Same with everything else. I do not trust that more money going to it will help at all

What we need to do is look at health systems that operate very well and emulate them within our free at point of use service.

And people are still fine with it. Happy to ignore it. Some of them are, let's be honest, more than fine - quietly quite pleased to see those uppity Jews get what's coming to them.

Corbyn and his hard left woke bros (usually young men with deficient social skills) are doing the same to women, particularly feminists. They are saying that an “all-woman” shortlist of all Transwomen would be OK, and that women who object to the erasure of women as a class are on the wrong side of history. And so on.

I think it’s NO coincidence that several of the Jewish MPs being hounded out of the party are also women.

These lefty men can’t cope with women being in charge. The poor things have had to keep their misogyny and anti-Semitism quiet for the last 30 years. They’re now saying what they’ve been thinking, with added venom.

WASP men really do think they have the right to rule, whether they’re on the left or the right. Their hatred of anyone who gets in their way is visceral.

Duchess - I'm really sorry that this thread has upset you, however I hope it makes you feel a little better that there are a number of posters on this thread who have said that anti-semitism is now their main reason for not voting Labour. It's certainly our main reason (although there are others!), and I am relishing the opportunity to tell our Labour mp exactly what I think of his party when he inevitably turns up on our doorstep over the next few weeks. We're in a tight marginal seat, so hopefully we'll be able to get rid of him if there are enough people who share our views.

Tbh, I'm quite shocked by this thread - I don't understand why some posters are very keen tell everyone that they're happy to pay more tax, but are completely unwilling to address your concerns and those of the other Jewish posters.

As another poster said (sorry can't find it), this brings to mind the poem by Pastor Niemoller and we should never forget. Some things matter way more than tax.

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me

I've seen a few threads on here and mentioned the anti semitism in labour...and many people just ignore it. This thread has probably had more support about a labour anti semitism than any.

I am so sad though that it is making me realise just how endemic the anti semitism problem is in the wider population and what Corbyn and his cronies are doing is making it acceptable. I assume that the one in three who are intending to vote for Corbyn aren't worried about anti semitism from him and momentum

I just hope to god I don't wake up on 13 Dec with him heading for Downing Street.

The NHS and our health system is flabby.
Same with everything else. I do not trust that more money going to it will help at all

I disagree. There was a study a few years ago which showed that the nhs was one of the most efficient in the world.

Of course you’ll always get mistakes etc but don’t you think that it would have been sorted by now, you know because the Tories are so good at that sort of thing. They’ve had plenty of time 🤷🏻‍♀️

I am so sad though that it is making me realise just how endemic the anti semitism problem is in the wider population and what Corbyn and his cronies are doing is making it acceptable. I assume that the one in three who are intending to vote for Corbyn aren't worried about anti semitism from him and momentum

I know that Jeremy Corbyn is accused of anti semitism all the time. I know he’s a supporter of the Palestinian cause. But aside from that (which in itself isn’t anti-Semitic) what has he done directly or said that is anti-Semitic?

The charge against him is that he hasn’t done enough. What more could or should he have done?

Genuine question.

I balance this against the Tories anti-Islamic reputation as well as it’s own anti-Semitic problem and can’t see much of a difference tbh.

It just feels like more of a light is being shone on Labour when the other parties are not much better.

I earn £133k. According to the labour tax calculator I'd be £3700 a year worse off.
That takes my % tax to 37% rather than 34%.

I'm totally voting labour because I want them to fix the inequality in this country. No one benefits from inequality and it makes all our lives poorer.

@Answerthequestion

This x100. If it was happening in other minority communities there would be outrage but because it’s the Jewish community it’s immediately dismissed as those pesky keeps making a fuss about nothing again

The Tories are still to this day denying citizenship and trying to deport Black Britons. That is something no one cares about or talks about. Don't start victim politics. No one but the bigots win.

Yes, and yes, I vote Labour and am a member of the Labour Party and earn more than that. I agree with universal taxation to support education, healthcare, the need for a green revolution and a society which supports those who need it through a welfare state. I am happy to pay for this. But I won’t be voting for Jeremy Corbyn’s labour party, alas. I can’t vote for his lack of leadership over anti-semitism and brexit, and I don’t trust him and those around him to be in charge of our armed services or the economy, and with the international threats posed by Russia and the instability of the middle east and terrorism not trusting him on defence is more important than a decade plus ago. It sucks. I suppose I hope for an outcome which is a largely hung parliament with a narrow remain coalition of labour, lots more lib dems, SNP (don’t like them much either) PC and hopefully an increased number of greens (would love to see more green policies get adopted to meet the climate emergency), and a bunch of moderate conservatives like Dominic Grieve or that GP Sarah Wollaston or maybe she’s joined the lib dems now.

There was a study a few years ago which showed that the nhs was one of the most efficient in the world.

What? Under the evil Toriiiiies who are apparently destroying the NHS every day?

I earn over that and am a life long socialist. However, I cannot vote for the current labour leadership so I'm in a quandary

I know that Jeremy Corbyn is accused of anti semitism all the time. I know he’s a supporter of the Palestinian cause. But aside from that (which in itself isn’t anti-Semitic) what has he done directly or said that is anti-Semitic?

Have you even tried google? Laying wreaths, supporting murals, calling Hamas friends, sharing platforms with holocaust deniers.... there are long lists out there.

Have you even tried google? Laying wreaths, supporting murals, calling Hamas friends, sharing platforms with holocaust deniers.... there are long lists out there

Yes hence my question. I don’t believe that makes him anti Semitic. Anti - Zionist most certainly

There was a study a few years ago which showed that the nhs was one of the most efficient in the world

It was back in 2011. So I don’t think the Tories can claim credit really.

At the end of the day, the population is growing and the population which needs the nhs growing even faster.

Adult social care has been hacked creating greater pressure on the NHS.

Everyone who’s informed enough knows the nhs needs more funding.

But people find that unpalatable and also want to make a profit from it. That’s why there’s a drive to run it down and sell it off.