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ILikeyourHairyHands · 08/11/2019 22:18

I've seen yet another thread where the OP is lambasted for being in a SE bubble (she was in a bubble tbf, but a bubble of incredible dimness), and many posters talk about The North as a place of scant opportunities, cheap housing, low wages and general divorce from The South, which is generally considered as the land of milk, honey, opportunity and high house prices.

It's very divorced from my experience of both places. I'm from an area in The North that is one of the wealthiest political wards in Europe, I went to work in the city after University (25 years ago) and despite having a very middle-class upbringing and accent, my flat vowels were treated as something of a curiosity (and they're really not that flat, everyone up here considers them 'southern') and Sheffield, my home city was, and still is, perceived as being some 'flat cap and whippets' place, despite having one of the highest proportions of professionals per capita in the UK.

My take from that experience was that born and brought-up Londoners are the most parochial people that I'd ever met. I had a much more 'worldly' experience being brought up in thr middle-class North than that of the supposedly urbane Southerners.

But still it goes on, people speak of The North as some kind of otherworldly shit-hole where the denizens scrabble around for cheap terraces on MW jobs and anything worth happening happens in The South.

Leeds, Manchester, Sheffield, Newcastle, Durham, York, the smaller towns and places where there's a huge amount of creativity, wealth creation, and professional people living fine and prosperous lives, and have for generations.

I just cannot understand the stereotypes that divide us so badly.

And yes, I also know and understand industrialisation and post-industrialisation that has affected certain areas of the UK. I'd say the area of the UK that's been hit worst by post-industrialism is the Midlands though. But no-one talks about that, or the poverty in the SW, it's always THE NORTH.

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DontLettuceBrexitLettuceRomain · 09/11/2019 09:11

Agree with you OP and suspect we're from the same place in Sheffield!

Dowser · 09/11/2019 09:13

I tend to play up my northern accent as I don’t want my local townsfolk to turn on me for sounding too posh.

Dowser · 09/11/2019 09:14

I was at college in Sheffield in the 70s
Attercliffe was grim but Totley was like a little village

Waxonwaxoff0 · 09/11/2019 09:16

My town will be infiltrated by southerners when HS2 is built. One of the hubs is being built nearby. Ugh. Wink

Stayawayfromitsmouth · 09/11/2019 09:18

Please stop telling people how good it is up north! They will want to move here and price us out of the housing market.
It's a well kept secret.

Oliversmumsarmy · 09/11/2019 09:18

I was born and grew up on the north

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But still it goes on, people speak of The North as some kind of otherworldly shit-hole where the denizens scrabble around for cheap terraces on MW jobs and anything worth happening happens in the South

Sounds spot on from my experience.

We did move to the posher part of the town. (The footballers wife’s mansions part)
It was so boring and dull.

The only thing to do growing up there was the cinema in the nearest town and the leisure centre.

Both cost money.

I moved as soon as I could to London.

Dc have been brought up in London.

They have friends all over the country including the area I lived in.

From reports back the place I grew up hasn’t changed much. The poor part is still poverty stricken and violent and the better off area is still boring.

They realise how lucky they are that there are so many free things to do in London.

OnlyFoolsnMothers · 09/11/2019 09:24

Londoners are pretty narrow minded, cautious and risk averse about not ever living anywhere else

As a Londoner myself- born and bred- I would say that’s pretty true in respect to the rest of the UK- many wouldn’t blink twice to moving abroad. Tbh I don’t see why most Londoners with family in London would move out. Surely the two pulls of where one should live are finances and relationships (family/friends). It wouldn’t make sense for many of my friends to live and pay rent in areas of the country where their wages would be less than in London. Also many people are aware once you move out of London it’s hard to afford to move back.

OhTheRoses · 09/11/2019 09:33

Southerner married to a northerner. I think there's a generational thing going on too. We are nearly 60 and the northern city of dh's childhood is a different world from what it is now. The area he was brought up in though was a shit hole then and is worse now.

We would both miss the variety of things like theatres and concert halls outside of London. I accept shopping has improved massively in the 30 years since I met DH.

The first time I visited York I was unimpressed but it has improved. Newcastle and Manchester blew me away. Whilst Harrogate and Durham are lovely think they would drive me nuts. But so too would Salisbury and Truro.

Dowser · 09/11/2019 09:36

I love Salisbury and Truro lol

Ginfordinner · 09/11/2019 09:41

I agree. I’m from South London originally, but moved to West Yorkshire at 21. I now live just outside of Sheffield, and the thing that irritates me most of all about the stereotypical criticism is that “the North” is a cultural desert.

We have loads of fantastic museums, Opera North, Northern Ballet, theatres, stately homes, excellent restaurants, etc. etc. They aren’t just the preserve of London and the Home Counties. We also have beautiful countryside and coastlines, cleaner air and brilliant farm shops, plus even a few vineyards Grin
We don’t have to fight to get our children into the local (outstanding) primary school either.

London does get better weather. I give you that. It is a bit soggy round here at the moment. And I envy their public transport system which is a bit lacking where I live, but it is a small price to pay when the advantages of living where I do outweigh the disadvantages.

I love visiting London, but wouldn’t want to live there again.

And the one thing that annoys me more than Southerners thinking all Northerners are impoverished peasants is Northerners thinking all Southerners are posh.

Yep. At work everyone thinks I have a posh accent. No I don’t. It is a south London accent.

chomalungma · 09/11/2019 09:48

Where do people think the North starts?

(if we are talking about Northern England)

There's also places like Birmingham, Nottingham, Lincoln....I don't think they're 'Northern' but they aren't South.

And yes - the South is a place of immense variation as well.

Doobigetta · 09/11/2019 09:56

Nether Green, HairyHands.

When I went to an open day at Bristol, a lecturer asked me where I was from and where else I’d applied to. When I told her Sheffield and Manchester, she said how lovely to be near the seaside and maybe I’d like Manchester because people would be more like me.
I went to Manchester. Still here.

DisgraceToTheYChromosome · 09/11/2019 09:57

I have lived in London, the West Country, the Welsh borders, East Anglia, Warwickshire, and nose Northumberland. Each has its advantages and disadvantages. London: incredible history, massive culture, expensive. West Country: beautiful, wet, snobs. Welsh Borders: beautiful, remote, relaxed. Norfolk and Suffolk: quirky, good beer, "white flight" racists. Northumberland: best of everything, lovely dialect, the insane traffic jams.

Thatagain · 09/11/2019 10:01

I love the north I was born in Birmingham and miss it so much. I now live on the south coast witch the only thing going for it is the beach. If I could drop all of my responsibilities today I would move back tomarow. Sometimes I do feel like it was a bad move.

OhTheRoses · 09/11/2019 10:07

chomalungna As far as I'm concerned St John's Wood Wink

flossletsfloss · 09/11/2019 10:12

I'm from the south coast but have lived in London before and now live in the north. I can confirm that I wouldn't live in London if you paid me now. I also think my life in the north is much better than the south although I do live in one of the wealthiest areas in the country now. I hate the obsession with London. It's over rated, insular and quite frankly a bit of a shit hole. I'm sorry to say but I always judge those who choose to live there as a bit dim.

Ginfordinner · 09/11/2019 10:12

Thatagain Birmingham isn't in "the North". It is in the West Midlands.

Answerthequestion · 09/11/2019 10:14

. Once they realise they can sell their flat in London, and buy a 5-bed in Millhouses or Fulwood with the Peak District as their back yard for the same money, they'll all want to come here

Except they won’t. I would love to live up north but in a city, love Manchester and Leeds . No interest whatsoever in living in a village or close to the countryside wherever it is.

Alpacathebag · 09/11/2019 10:15

@chomalungma the name you're looking for is The Midlands...

chomalungma · 09/11/2019 10:17

One possible area for the North....(part of the idea of being linked to Scotland!!!)

The North
JacquesHammer · 09/11/2019 10:17

We would both miss the variety of things like theatres and concert halls outside of London

Yup. Can’t do anything like that in the North Grin

joolzfromyork · 09/11/2019 10:23

Eee by 'eck chuck ...
tha' knows tis all gunna kick off nah dunt thee?

SIT THEE DAHN 'SATAN'

Sorry, just shoutin at t'whippet (ee were chewin me flat cap)

Jus divn't be tellin softy Suverners about life in't north
Twats ull all be wantin to move here ... t'wont do I tell thee .. nah t'wont do at all

SATAN SIT!

Eee thought ee were gunna eat me ferret then ...

Nah then ... weers ma' bayts ...

FormerlyFrikadela01 · 09/11/2019 10:33

We would both miss the variety of things like theatres and concert halls outside of London

I went to uni with a fair few Londoners. They too banged on about all the culture and what not didnt know a scallop was also the name for a battered potato fritter did they uncultured swines however once you prove a bit further it became blatantly obvious that despite this wealth of culture and entertainment on their doorstep they very rarely made use of it. My poor northern self attended the theatre far more often than they did.

I think if you live in a bog standard suburb doing a 9-5 then the location of it is largely irrelevant.

Yorkshire is still the greatest place on earth to live. Tis gods own country after all.

chamenanged · 09/11/2019 10:40

I'm always bemused by the blanket statements on here that houses in the North are cheap. Mine fucking wasn't.

yellowallpaper · 09/11/2019 10:40

I was born in London and grew up there. Moved to Surrey and worked there, ditto to Hampshire and then to Yorkshire. There are nice and not so nice places in most counties and it really depends on where you live and your community. I live in a village mentioned in the doomsday book so some areas are pretty old like our church.

The main difference I've noticed is people really are friendlier up north and there does seem to be a south east bubble.

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