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How do you handle food rules and birthday parties

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ihuli · 02/11/2019 20:25

Dd has a group of 4 friends, one of them is vegan and also not allowed refined sugar/ junk foods. They are age 7/8

Day to day play dates need a bit of planning, but it’s ok. She does like food and asks for it a lot, but is also quite fussy. They buy a lot of food stuffs I’ve genuinely never tried, and sometimes I don’t know what she wants when we asked. last time I took her to the local co-op to try choosing and it was hard to find anything that was allowed but yet also wanted. A banana certainly doesn’t cut it. She also sees me as a soft touch and will want the doughnuts for example (vegan in the coop) so I’ve stopped that as mum is then annoyed. She directs me not to allow her to eat at all sometimes, but the child refuses to do anything if not fed (her two siblings are not like this to be fair). Her diet involves a lot of bread as she’s not very keen on veggies/ non-exotic fruit

Birthday parties have proved really hard in the past. One for example she wasn’t brought to when they were younger, pizza making, wasted a load of vegan cheese and extras as there was a last minute judgement her dd would be upset by not being able to eat many things. My child did want cheese very strongly to be there. Another I didn’t realise drinks were an issue, handed out fruit shoots and it was taken away... cue sad child to deal with (she drinks squash I’m sure so didn’t know) Most result in her sitting away from the group and eyeballing them if there’s food, or on a parent’s lap with sad face and feeling awkward. Food bought especially goes to waste (and can frankly double the cost...). I keep vegan spread in the fridge and offer toast as a compromise normally on play dates. It’s become a big wedge, the rules and her reaction to not eating what the others are allowed.

I’ve really tried, from making vegan cakes (not eaten by anyone, not my forte) to separate food but it’s still an issue. I’ve asked for recipes, but they’ve involved flours/ nuts etc that aren’t easy to source without a journey out of area and require blenders which I don’t have (she is extremely dedicated to food prep, even making her own stuff raw vegan) I find mum a really difficult character in many ways with views on me (eg owning a TV, activities we do etc) not just food. I’ve tried reasonable chats but she’s of the firm belief that my choices are wrong and hers correct in short. I think anything short of a party that has no junk/ sugar and is vegan wouldn’t be enough. None of my other vegan friends react this way, it’s not an anti-vegan post.... it’s a super restrictive diets and difficulty/ judgement of me. Two other adults are vegan and their kids are veggie that we know through my other kids, it’s zero fuss to eat with them.

Now my dd does not want to be restricted, she wants some sweets alongside the fruit at birthdays. One of her friends is positively junk focused and would sulk if there’s none (well, it’s a birthday party, they tend to be conditioned to it).

The girl is otherwise lovely, and it’s horrible to leave her out of small parties. What would you do? I’m really close to having the easy life and just having the others. It’s a movie party and they will snack heavily, and expect it.

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Apolloanddaphne · 02/11/2019 21:32

Provide food, point out to the child what are the vegan, healthy options then let her eat what she wants. If she wants to go against her mum's strict rules that is not your problem.

Shockers · 02/11/2019 21:32

@ihuli- apologies- I wasn’t suggesting your parenting was somehow lacking!

DisgruntledGuineaPig · 02/11/2019 21:33

Agree with @StillNoFuckingEyeDeer - tell her what you are serving, ask her what she would like to do (given the option of sending her DD with her own packed meal or letting her DD make her own food choices). Perhaps state given the ages and that there's another child attending with an allergy you will need to closely monitor, you won't be able to also monitor what her child choses and presume she's aware of what she should be chosing herself or would the Mum like to come along to supervise?

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OhTheTastyNuts · 02/11/2019 21:33

My son has a nut allergy. I always offer to send food to playdates/parties etc. He knows what he is and is not allowed to eat and never makes a fuss about it.

I'd tell the mum/dad what food will be at the party (inc. a vegan option). If their DD wants something else they can send it along with her.

WellErrr · 02/11/2019 21:35

I’d request that the mother sends her with a packed lunch and then I wouldn’t give it another thought.

It’s not a health problem/allergy, and it’s not your problem full stop.

Molly2010 · 02/11/2019 21:39

@OhTheTastyNuts same! My child has multiple food allergies, I always send her with a packed lunch and she never complains. I agree with your advice, message the mother and tell her the food you are providing and ask that she provides a packed lunch if it is not suitable.

bookwormsforever · 02/11/2019 21:40

Christ, the mother sounds unreasonable, bonkers, and a stone bitch. Judging you for activities and tv? She can fuck off!

Ask her to provide food for her dd for anything else you organise and invite her to. Make it clear that you will not be changing the food everyone else wants in favour of the food she says her dd wants.

Entitled cow!

Namechangeforthiscancershit · 02/11/2019 21:42

The mum sounds like a nightmare tbf and I agree with the PP saying that the girl will have loads of issues with food in the future.

Is there anyway she can come along after the food?

MrsP2015 · 02/11/2019 21:42

Not read all the replies so apologies if I repeat.

Firstly this mother sounds a pain in the ass and I hope you are really strong to not be influenced by her or her choices and continue to make your own.

I'd actually have a chat with your dd about all of this just to see what her thoughts are as she may enlighten you to afew things you were not aware of with the girl/ her mum.

Remember this is YOUR daughters party- a (usually) once a year party so she should have all the junk she wants! Back when I was a kid at parties, there was sandwiches and crisps and then everything chocolate/ biscuits/ cakes/ jelly & ice cream etc (why there's so much obesity) Grin lol but seriously it's dd's party so maybe she chooses the options or has some say because of her friend.

The parent is doing so much damage to her child by being so awkward as this child is not only suffering but will begin to be excluded from social gatherings because of the food issue as my original thought is if she can't see others eating it she's not suffering.
It's really good to hear you are trying to do so so much to include her and help her but there really is only so much responsibility you can have.

I would actually say to the mother her dd is welcome to the party and here is a list of the foods- if it's not suitable she must provide dd with a packed lunch. Not great as the child will still be eating different foods but at least she's part of the party.

Keep us updated please, I hope things work out.

PatchworkElmer · 02/11/2019 21:44

Really surprised at this mother! She’s being very cheeky. DS is dairy allergic and when people ask what he can eat, I always offer to send him with something (haven’t been taken up on it yet). The girl’s parents can’t expect you to cater to this extent.

I’d frame it like “I’m so sorry, your DD never seems to like what I prepare, even when I follow your recipes. Could you send something so that I know she’ll definitely eat?”

runlift · 02/11/2019 21:44

I would make a plain popcorn for the girl. The others can have sugar/sweet but in the bags they will all look the same. Tell the mum that you have some snacks the girl can have -plain popcorn, grapes etc but that there will also be other sugary birthday treats. Say if your daughter will mind this maybe she could send her with one of her favourite snacks/vegan sugar free treats.

Ginfordinner · 02/11/2019 21:44

That poor child is going to end up so fucked up.

I agree. She will be a rampant carnivore who stuffs herself with sugary treats as soon as she is able to buy her own food.

I have no issue with catering for people who are vegetarian, vegan, have allergies or restrictions due to cultural or religious reasons, but this woman sounds bonkers.

I agree that if she wants her child to have a very restricted diet she should provide the food. The party is for your daughter, not the vegan child.

NoSquirrels · 02/11/2019 21:50

Meh. Given that you’ve tried your best in the past, and the child has refused it all, I would either a) make a load of party stuff vegan (inc ring donuts and popcorn and sweets and fruit like strawberries etc) and then refuse to feel guilty or b) tell the Mum in advance your menu plan and let her send a packed lunch if she wanted.

Poor kid! Sounds bloody miserable.

Lindy2 · 02/11/2019 21:51

I agree with other posters. The parents need to send a packed lunch. You serve whatever party food you want to for the other guests.

It's not your problem to solve.

(This child is so heading for McDonalds the moment she is old enough to have any freedom at all though).

WellGoshDarnIt · 02/11/2019 21:53

Kid's gonna be mainlining Haribo and Monster drinks the second she's allowed to go to a shop on her own. Seen it so many times, (been a nanny for 20+ years). The kids who aren't allowed sugar/fat/fun are the ones you find squatting behind the curtains at parties, shovelling in handfuls of smarties and hula hoops.

ChocoholicsAsylum · 02/11/2019 21:57

I think you have forgotton this is YOUR DDs party!! You plan it how YOU want to and how your daughter wants! To absolute hell with this nonsence, do you think your DD would have same treatment? I dont think so. Dont even invite her wayyyy to much carry on and you owe nothing!

Idontlikeitsomuch · 02/11/2019 21:59

I have a child who have multiple allergies. I always send food with him. I always ask them what they are serving and send him with similar food. I also have friends with children who have allergies or with some restrictions. They also send food with them. I cannot understand the parents who have a child with restricted diet either through choice or necessity to expect others to cater for them perfectly. Some do try, and I appreciate it, but never take it for granted.

saraclara · 02/11/2019 22:00

@Lovemenorca the OP has the little girl round for meals on play dates too. But the birthday party means her daughter's needs should come first, hence her question.
It's not just a once a year problem.

Awaywiththepiskies · 02/11/2019 22:00

She will be a rampant carnivore who stuffs herself with sugary treats as soon as she is able to buy her own food

I was thinking exactly that ...

ihuli · 02/11/2019 22:04

Sorry, I have way more replies than I expected so I’ve not replied to all. I think @ChocoholicsAsylum you’ve hit a nerve about how she’d meet dd’s needs. This is an issue. Two of my older ones are friends with her eldest and I’ve actually been upset about how she has treated them a few times, not responding reasonably to their upset or distress in her care (I stopped play dates for them completely when they were young).

She wouldn’t give a fuck I’m sure if she did a party with nothing dd would eat. That says a lot. She is self- centred and I’ve allowed her the moral high ground because I’ve felt forced to accept her choices as better than mine. (@Shockers I wasn’t offended, a lot of Mumsnet would think my children’s diet as not great by today’s standards. It’s ok, they eat veg but it’s not clean eating or anything. They like fry ups for example)

I think I’ve stretched so far as I both genuinely like her daughter and she’s a good friend to dd. So I’ve tiptoed over a lot.

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ReanimatedSGB · 02/11/2019 22:05

The mum is a cunt and verging on abusive. She's behaving in a way that is likely to isolate her DD from friendship groups and quite possibly set her on the path to eating disorders (fixating on food as good or bad is just as harmful if it's for wierd superstitious fake-ethical reasons as it is if the reason is an obession with thinness.)
Tell the mother that she can send her DD with her own food supply, but the food your provide for your DD and her other friends will be in line with their preferences. And respond to any digs or preaching from her with 'Whatever, Angela' and a bright smile. There is no point in being nice to abusive, self-righteous cunts because nothing apart from total submission to them will please them.

ReanimatedSGB · 02/11/2019 22:07

In general, if your DC have a restricted diet because of your views rather than because of a dangerous food allergy, you need to get the fuck over yourself and accept that sometimes they will eat 'forbidden' foods. Because your DC are not your property and they have the right to make their own choices, especially as they get older.

SonjaMorgan · 02/11/2019 22:10

@ihuli I am vegan and my kids can eat whatever they like. The mother is nuts. Tell her she can eat with everyone else, bring a pack up or just not come at all.

FlamingoQueen · 02/11/2019 22:12

I think Mum is to blame. If Mum wants her to eat different food than what is normally expected at a party, then Mum should provide the food. I would always make some allowances, my dd’s friend is vegetarian and I would always provide a veggie option, ie one meat, one veggie pizza (not just a Margherita either) as I know friend appreciates it. Parties can be stressful enough without this going on.

TheTurnOfTheScrew · 02/11/2019 22:17

i would not pander to the no-sugar/junk preference, but make the party at least mostly vegan and then leave it at that. the mother can choose whether to send her or not. They are 7/8. Ultimately if the kid doesn't eat a crumb for the duration of the party she is not going to expire, and she can have her specific happy foods at home afterwards.

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