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Meghan Markle interview

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Sarahsquareddd · 18/10/2019 15:35

“No one has asked if I was ok” (alight msiqiote but typing on phone)

What are people’s thoughts? Good on her i think but equally she can leave public eye

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BertrandRussell · 22/10/2019 13:48

“ To name a few that appeared to be at odds with recent Royal traditions:

Harry and Meghan weren’t truthful about when she went into labour and gave birth to Archie.

Withheld details of Godparents.

Didn’t give out a proper photo of Archie.
The only one of these that is true is the godparents one. And I think the suggestion was that this was at the request of the godparents concerned? But none of them are exactly bulldozing over established family traditions!

Dooleydally · 22/10/2019 14:15

Actually they were not truthful about when Meghan gave birth. They sent out a statement that she had gone into labour when in fact she had already given birth. That got the press’s back up.

The point is that there is an understanding between the RF and the public that, as an immediate and high profile member of the family that we, the tax payer pay for, there are certain things that are in the public interest. Withholding these things and misleading us was ill advised and rubbed a lot of people the wrong way.

As I’ve said before, I have absolutely sympathy for them wanting to live private lives. But then they need to relinquish their title and position.

Prince H, and by extension Meghan, need to learn that they cannot have it both ways. Parents teach their child no, you can’t have everything you want just because you want it. Judging from the way they are currently handling themselves ie taking 4 private jets in the space of 2 weeks whilst preaching about climate change; demanding the press leave them alone on a TV show, it seems H&M do not have a strong grasp of that principle.

If they had more self awareness and maturity, they would be less “woe is me” self pity party and more “oops, yes, we can see the irony in our actions which have been at odds with what we say. Let’s move onwards and upwards now.” I for one would warm to them as real people, with flaws and strengths just like everyone.

BertrandRussell · 22/10/2019 14:19

“ Actually they were not truthful about when Meghan gave birth. They sent out a statement that she had gone into labour when in fact she had already given birth. That got the press’s back up. ”
Blimey. Bearing in mind that this is a forum where women are routinely advised not to tell their own immediate family when they go into labour, criticising another woman for not telling the entire world is pretty shocking. Of all the things to choose! Or is it because it is one of the few actual concrete things that can be pinned on her?

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Dooleydally · 22/10/2019 14:27

I’m not criticising her Bertrand. I’m pointing out that, as a royal, there are expectations and a sense of duty. If you are a member of the RF, you play by the rules and being truthful to HRM’s subjects is absolutely imperative. It was unnecessary and weird that they lied about Meghan going into labour when in fact she had actually already given birth. It builds a mistrust towards them from us, the Queen’s subjects. And, like it or not, that is what we are for as long there is a monarchy.

It is absolutely not the same situation as posters on mumsnet choosing when to announce a birth as you well know Bertrand!

Brefugee · 22/10/2019 14:52

What business of ours is it how Meghan feels ? , She was in South Africa where many many people have a bloody harsh life and she is whinging that nobody has asked her if she is ok ? She has the best medical care, she has every kind of help at her fingertips, she doesnt have to worry about paying to keep a roof over her baby's head or if she can afford to keep the heating on, or how she is going to juggle work and childcare.

I've just put this one as representative of all the comments about how you can't complain about anything if you earn more than… oh, we didn't establish it. Shall we say 30grand?

And now this, to save you all having to google* "The Fallacy Of Relative Privation"

theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/skepticism-and-the-fallacy-of-relative-privation/

*other search engines are available, try ecosia, for example

timshelthechoice · 22/10/2019 15:16

Too right, Dooley. Bertrand I mostly agree with you (I am no Brexiter and do stand for Scottish independence) but on threads like this I do indeed wonder if you are truly a republican. It's a deal, this monarchy lark, and I do not agree with the concept of monarchy or inherited titles at all and think we should be done with the lot of it, it is outdated nonsense, but it's a deal. If you don't like it, then leave, it's not like they'll be putting in a claim for UC and asking for food bank vouchers once the 'advance' runs out putting money on the fucking gas and power meters (we're already having frosts here overnight in Scotland).

BalloonSlayer · 22/10/2019 15:27

I was thinking today that the RF are sort of stuck with the press, they need them, but they don't like them, they just have to sort of endure them, a bit like an unpleasant relative.

So . . . and bear with me, this is long . . .

Imagine the press as a sort of toxic MIL. OK? So . . . Megan loves Harry but she can see MIL is a nightmare and friends tried to warn her off "she goes for all his girlfriends, no one's ever good enough." Megan reckons she can charm MIL, plus Harry promises, PROMISES he won't let MIL ruin things, he knows how to handle her, he will always take her side and he will stand up to MIL if she ever gets too much.

They get married. MIL is outrageous. Megan posts on here, saying all the things her MIL has done:

  • criticised me for wearing an expensive dress that I paid for with my OWN money
  • talked my Dad into doing something stupid, took a photo and showed everyone the picture of him doing the stupid thing she had encouraged.
  • Dad was so upset at her behaviour he didn't come to my wedding and she slagged him off for not coming
  • slagged me off for wearing a dress that made me look pregnant when I was at a wedding and . . . erm . . . pregnant
  • demanded that I tell her the instant I went into labour and stropped when I refused
  • demanded to see the baby so she could take a picture of it as soon as it was born and stropped when I refused.
  • demanded to know who the godparents were and stropped when we refused to say

and so on

The replies would be along the lines of "well what has your DH done about it?" and "you haven't got a MIL problem you have got a DH problem."

I think Harry is trying to stand up for Megan for this very reason. He sees it as his responsibility that she is enduring all this crap. She has had press to cope with over the years but the Press Interest in the Royals is something else altogether.

DreamOnReggie · 22/10/2019 15:40

I do feel that all this talk of racism is a bit silly. It's almost at the stage where we are not allowed to say that we don't like someone if they are not the same colour as ourselves. I don't like her much and the thing is, I'm mixed race too. There you go. So presumably I can't be being racist? I also don't like my supervisor at work, who is white, but it's not because she's white. It's because she's a pompous arse. There you go. I actually feel that I can't say that I find Meghan smug and simpering, because I'm supposed to like her. Fgs. It's all this talk of the racist card that's dragging all this out. Everyone should drop it, including her, who mentioned it during her documentary. She is beautiful, yes, but she is also manipulative, just like her father. He is playing the 'poor me' card and so is she. Cut from the same cloth.

escapade1234 · 22/10/2019 15:50

She treats people like fools and expects to be adored and worshipped in return.

In her engagement interview she professed to hardly knowing who Harry was. Bollocks.

In the Bradby documentary, she says they don’t have tabloids in America. What rubbish. She knows exactly what a tabloid is, a gossip magazine or a low-brow news website. They’re all the same. My jaw dropped when I heard her say that and it’s all done in a sweet innocent faux-naive voice not really befitting a woman close to 40. The wide-eyed answers, poor little me just doing my bit with “H”. Struggling to be a newlywed. What absolute self-centered rubbish.

She lies. The woman’s a hustler.

BertrandRussell · 22/10/2019 15:57

“ In her engagement interview she professed to hardly knowing who Harry was. Bollocks.”
No she didn’t.

PortiaCastis · 22/10/2019 16:16

I see the silly bollocks are still being spouted

MrsElijahMikaelson1 · 22/10/2019 16:18

I do feel sorry for them both actually. You’d have to have a heart of stone not to.

They’ve rushed everything IMO and haven’t had time for their relationship to settle and for them get to know each other properly. All pretty major stressors. Harry has quite severe MH issues I think and he needs to seek help if he isn’t in therapy already. I also think he’s terrified that Meghan will leave him and take Archie with her if things don’t settle down. This isn’t helping him manage his MH either and I suspect clouds his thinking of how to manage situations as he is just desperate to make Meghan happy.

They’ve also been really foolish in not accepting palace assistance and insisting on doing everything their own way and employing firms more used to celebrity PR. Of course that’s not going to end well. The Firm is called that for a reason and there are senior experienced people who know this better than anyone.

I think that the interview was ill-thought out given where they were, the people they had been visiting who were literally fighting to survive and what they were achieving there. They should have taken the win as the tour has gone so well. Someone is advising them badly... all the time! As in the flights and then lecturing on climate change, visiting Elton John in Nice over the summer but not the Queen in Scotland “as Archie couldn’t travel”.

They just need someone from the RF to sit them down and help them and they need to accept that help instead of thinking that everyone is against them and trying to stop them doing what they want to do. They could be a real force for good if they had some decent advice and support. I hope they take this 6 weeks and use it to sit down and sort out what they want to do and achieve and at some point they will have to understand that you can’t always have everything you want.

BertrandRussell · 22/10/2019 16:23

“ As in the flights and then lecturing on climate change”William has done exactly the same, and while expecting his 3rd child to boot. “visiting Elton John in Nice over the summer” Why shouldn’t he? “ but not the Queen in Scotland “as Archie couldn’t travel” Harry never goes to Balmoral in the summer- and I donNt think it was them said anything about Archie not being able to travel.

MrsElijahMikaelson1 · 22/10/2019 16:27

Why just pick on that Bertrand out of all my long very supportive post?

NormaBean · 22/10/2019 16:29

Bertrand you do make these threads very difficult to read.

BertrandRussell · 22/10/2019 16:32

“ Why just pick on that Bertrand out of all my long very supportive post?”

Because that they were things that are demonstrably not true.

BertrandRussell · 22/10/2019 16:34

Sorry- presses send too soon. The rest was simply opinion- I obviously have no idea whether you’re right or wrong. The things I commented on were factual inaccuracies.

escapade1234 · 22/10/2019 16:37

Bearing in mind that this is a forum where women are routinely advised not to tell their own immediate family when they go into labour, criticising another woman for not telling the entire world is pretty shocking

You’re wrong Bertrand. It wasn’t that they didn’t tell the world. It was that they deliberately released a statement which was a lie. They said she was in labour. She wasn’t. They needn’t have said anything but to deliberately throw people off the scent is weird and controlling.

Given that you want to compare her life to your average Mumsnetter, it would be like me texting my parents to say “My waters have broken, it’s all starting, I’ll keep you posted.” When in reality I’m sitting up in bed cuddling my baby and eating toast.

Weird.

timshelthechoice · 22/10/2019 16:37

Well, in that I agree with Bertand, if she is a hustler, then he is a kerb krawler. He is long past childhood or even early adulthood. IMO, he is the David Cameron of the RF, crying foul and playing the victim long past most of mostly of anyone has had the luxury of doing so. All the more reason to abolish monarchy and inherited titles and move on into modernity.

JacquesHammer · 22/10/2019 16:43

It wasn’t that they didn’t tell the world. It was that they deliberately released a statement which was a lie. They said she was in labour. She wasn’t. They needn’t have said anything but to deliberately throw people off the scent is weird and controlling

Are people suggesting this isn't a Royal tradition? Look at the way deaths have been announced in the past Grin

BertrandRussell · 22/10/2019 16:57

this is rhe sort of thing that’s all over Twitter. Just in case people still think it’s just low level stuff....

BalloonSlayer · 22/10/2019 17:02

Oh my God Bertrand that is just awful! What's the matter with some people?

Puzzledandpissedoff · 22/10/2019 17:18

It was unnecessary and weird that they lied about Meghan going into labour when in fact she had actually already given birth

Surely the real iron is that they didn't have to say anything, far less make announcements about announcements. They could quite simply have said he'd arrived, but instead they handed the media yet another reason to criticise

I had to smile at the bit about "being truthful to HRM’s subjects is absolutely imperative" though ... if they all did that there'd probably be no RF any more

Puzzledandpissedoff · 22/10/2019 17:19

Irony, not iron ... duuuhhh!!! Blush

PortiaCastis · 22/10/2019 17:19

Arseholes will be arseholes and their 70p per year gives them carte blanche to be so apparently

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