Unplanned - Abortion Film **Trigger Warning** Title edited by MNHQ sensitive content*

[Mum2386]

Hi,
Last night I watched a film called Unplanned, which is based on a true story of a lady working within an abortion clinic called ‘Planned Parenthood’. The film itself brought me to tears on many occasions and it’s made me feel very uncomfortable surrounding abortion. I had an unplanned pregnancy with my third child but knew abortion wasn’t an option for me. I am quite shocked by the amount of abortions that still take place within our society. Does anyone else feel this way? I know we all have different views but i just wondered what other people’s thoughts were on this very sensitive topic.

It was said on here if a woman is denied/doesn’t choose abortion then she is forced to give birth.

“So pro choice also supports pro birthers then? I thought on this thread you couldn’t possibly be both? You’re either pro life or a pro birther?”

You seem to be suggesting that “pro choice” somehow means “compulsory abortion”

Pro-lifers do their damnedest to make sure women ‘can’t face abortion’. With films like the one in the OP, talking of ‘tiny hands and feet’.......all the usual tricks of their oppressive, malicious trade.
Not forgetting the harassment of women outside clinics. Appalling, deluded, vicious specimens.

They wouldn’t be forced to give birth though if they chose to continue with the pregnancy and put their baby up for adoption

How do you think babies arrive?

If someone makes the decision themselves to have the baby and have it adopted, then yup. Not forced birth.

If outside agencies mean someone has to continue with the pregnancy before having it adopted, then yep. That’s forced birth.

“It was said on here if a woman is denied/doesn’t choose abortion then she is forced to give birth.”

Can you not see the difference between “denied” and “doesn’t choose”?

JacquesHammer

But one “side” has far greater consequences than the other

I personally think a painful,dehumanising death is just about the biggest consequence there is.

I personally think a painful,dehumanising death is just about the biggest consequence there is

For whom? The mother?

“I personally think a painful,dehumanising death is just about the biggest consequence there is”
So do I. A miserable death from blood loss or infection from a bungled back street or self inflicted abortion is pretty grim.

Or are you talking about suicide? Women in intolerable situations often take their own lives.

Saucery - No not really because people that chose to have an abortion is their choice, they don’t go online and read comments and make their decision based on strangers views, that’s silly to suggest, they make the decision based on their circumstances, whether they’ve been forced into it, or because they’ve terminated by choice. Those that do have abortions because they haven’t been given a choice is that considered forced abortion. Many will say women have no choice but to abort, is it ok to assume that because they only have one choice it’s ethically right for the woman.

How do you think babies arrive? confused

If someone makes the decision themselves to have the baby and have it adopted, then yup. Not forced birth.

If outside agencies mean someone has to continue with the pregnancy before having it adopted, then yep. That’s forced birth.

Yes and if they didn’t want the baby being terminated because they were against the choice to terminate, they would be forced to give birth as in they didn’t want the baby but have no choice but to give birth to allow the baby to be adopted, even if it was a choice they didn’t want.

Saucery

Pro-lifers do their damnedest to make sure women ‘can’t face abortion’. With films like the one in the OP, talking of ‘tiny hands and feet’.......all the usual tricks of their oppressive, malicious trade.

The truth sometimes hurts. It does more harm to lie and say it is just a bunch of cells (deeply unscientific) then the woman later discovers that was a lie and she made an uninformed 'choice'

Are you saying the unborn don't have feet?

If you truly honestly believe that it is just a bunch of cells and has no awareness or sensitivity to pain or value etc etc then (and this is an honest question), why would you be in any way perturbed by an accurate picture of that which you are getting rid of?

If abortion is what the pro-choice say it is it should be like popping to the dentist to get a rotten tooth removed or your dodgy appendix. If someone showed me a picture of a removed appendix before I had an operation that wouldn't upset me.

Your appendix is part of you and completely your own genetic material. An unborn baby is a combination of both parents genetic material and is a brand new human in their own right. This may be stating the obvious but to read some comments here you would think people haven't got a grasp of the basic science. Eg 'if unborn babies are valuable why not eggs and sperm' really?? People don't understand the difference?

To add on that I understand why people may get upset about later term abortions but to change this I think more must be done with regards to Genetic testing. Most genetic test can’t be done till after 12 weeks so if you are faced with bad news then a later abortion is the only option.

Saying this from experience as I have a condition that I have 50% chance of passing on. I had cvs and it had the condition and I had always said I didn’t and my child to have to deal with that after having the cvs it took about a week and half to get the results so by the time I could even book in for an abortion it was 15 weeks. I got abit upSet at the time but that was more aimed at my condition and in the grand scheme of things it didn’t really affect me as I knew that was the decision I wanted to make and it was 100% the right choice for me.

When I fell pregnant again a couple of years later I had cvs again and once again it had the condition however I made a decision to continue with the pregnancy and that was my choice

You say that a sperm and egg combined is the beginning of life but a sperm and an egg combined is not viable on its own. It could definitely be argued that a fetus is not truly alive - if the mother dies then the fetus will die. It is not able to exist independently so arguably that is not life.

How do you feel about IVF/ test tube babies where scientists create embryos in labs to be implanted - usually only the best quality will be used and kept. Many of those embryos will be disposed of. Do you see this as morally wrong also? Is there any difference between a sperm and an egg joined in a lab to a sorry and an egg joined in a womb - if that is the beginning of life then why aren’t people protesting outside fertility clinics against those embryos being destroyed? What is the difference between a mother aborting an unwanted embryo and a doctor disposing of an unneeded embryo in a lab?

I’m sorry but I don’t get all the fuss.

Unless of course you are vegan.

And go out of your way to help the lives of others who are disadvantaged.

I get more upset thinking about animals being slaughtered in their millions.

I don’t accept the argument that humans killing animals is acceptable whereas humans killing a bunch of cells/foetus which cannot survive alone is not.
There isn’t any logic to that argument at all.

Btw I refused certain medical tests when I was pregnant because I decided that I would keep my baby despite being high risk of abnormality.

I don’t agree with abortion only in certain circumstances. It’s all or nothing for me.

The earth is over populated.
Do you expect humans not to have sex?
Why should only females take responsibility for birth control.
If males are anti abortion then stop having sex with females, or sterilise yourself.
Don’t blame others for your irresponsibility.

I understand the argument that life is sacred.
But that applies to ALL life.

You can’t pick and choose.

The irony of the anti choice brigade who support the death penalty is sickening.

Once again, I can’t engage with anyone who is anti abortion and then proceeds to shovel animal meat down their throat.

You are no more important than anyone else.

We all (hopefully) do things we don't really want to do and won't benefit from personally putting ourselves out massively because we are being kind and it is the right thing to do, seems though that there's a huge amount of cognitive dissonance when discussing the unborn.

Yes and if they didn’t want the baby being terminated because they were against the choice to terminate, they would be forced to give birth as in they didn’t want the baby but have no choice but to give birth to allow the baby to be adopted, even if it was a choice they didn’t want

You’re literally saying the same thing.

If they made the CHOICE themselves, that isn’t forced birth.

If they were coerced or a decision was made that they didn’t want due to other agencies that ISN’T choice.

I’m beginning to question your motives to be honest OP.

Do you want to stop women having choice?

Do you want to ban abortion?

There is so much focus on the women’s mental health and choice before she has an abortion but what about the women’s mental health after she’s had an abortion, what about the ones who said they were pro-choice had an abortion but massively regret their decision and have to live with that decision because they never thought they had a choice but to terminate. There are many women out there who feel forced into having an abortion, is that morally ok? Is it ok for a doctor to carry out an abortion on a woman who is forced into abortion. What about these poor women, not just the ones who have them and don’t regret them.

@Mum2386

You seem to be struggling with the meaning of the word “choice”....

“There are many women out there who feel forced into having an abortion, is that morally ok? Is it ok for a doctor to carry out an abortion on a woman who is forced into abortion.“
What do you mean by “forced”?

BertrandRussell

“I personally think a painful,dehumanising death is just about the biggest consequence there is”
So do I. A miserable death from blood loss or infection from a bungled back street or self inflicted abortion is pretty grim.

The key word there is 'self inflicted'.

The unborn baby doesn't get to choose being torn apart

A group of cells growing in accordance to biological principles of our species. If that isn’t ‘scientific’ then I can’t think what is.
We’re talking morals and ideals here. We are never going to agree, which is absolutely fine. You don’t have to have an abortion as no one is making you have one. I don’t have to have a baby because no one can force me to have one (in this country at least). We should be able to accept each other’s choices.
What the pro-lifers do is crowbar emotive language about when life begins (disputed across scientific and religious disciplines and there is no definitive answer). I acknowledge that pro-choicers do the opposite with science, social ethics and feminism.
Neither of us is correct for the other. We are only correct for ourselves.
A medical procedure is not pretty, whatever it is, so the premise of the OP is flawed.

Stop using such daft emotive language Fireball.

Do you actually know how an abortion is done? Do you understand the procedure?

There are many women out there who feel forced into having an abortion, is that morally ok?

Why are you equating pro-CHOICE with forced anything?

It’s job done for pro-lifers when the baby is born, isn’t it? Most of them just walk away. I’ve yet to see one on this thread stand up and say how women and children should be supported when the circumstances of that child’s birth mean poverty, unhappiness, illness, domestic violence (for both, remember, the child will suffer too)......
They have no answers. Says a lot about their professed ‘sanctity of life’.