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Why is drag so popular now?

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Nothingcomesforfree · 17/08/2019 09:43

Genuine question. I have seen lots of posts on a Facebook this morning about attending some drag queen event. Mostly women and several bringing their teens ( both sexes)

It seems really popular but I have no idea why or what people going get out of it? Is it comedic or fashion or something else.

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MoltoAgitato · 18/08/2019 17:09

So blackface is offensive by your logic, because you think all black people are oppressed, but drag acceptable because you don’t think all women are oppressed.

So, to follow on with your logic, Barack Obama, when arguably the most powerful man in the planet, and certainly not oppressed whilst President, would be absolutely fine and dandy with blackface. Right....

RosesAndRaindrops · 18/08/2019 17:15

No, I just said it's never acceptable to mimic people for the colour of the skin.
Drag is only offensive if you think women are being parodied and made fun of.
I don't. My opinion.
You do.
Fair enough.

sackrifice · 18/08/2019 17:16

I’m making the point that it’s a working-class thing.

And? It is still just as offensive to women who understand the underlying effect of patriarchy on our society, as much as blacking up is offensive to black people who understand the underlying white privilege in society.

Imagine saying blacking up was a working class thing as as such, is part of the culture and singing Mammy was their working class right.

Un-fucking-believeable.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 18/08/2019 17:16

If it’s not a parody, what is it then?

sackrifice · 18/08/2019 17:18

Drag is only offensive if you think women are being parodied and made fun of

You think this is a sign of respect? Fucking hell.

Of course it is a parody.

parody
/ˈparədi/

noun
noun: parody; plural noun: parodies

1.
an imitation of the style of a particular writer, artist, or genre with deliberate exaggeration for comic effect.
howwudufeel · 18/08/2019 17:19

If you believe that drag is part of the patriarchy rather than a bit of fun on a Saturday evening. Not every woman agrees with you sakrifice.

howwudufeel · 18/08/2019 17:19

Parody isn’t always offensive though.

RosesAndRaindrops · 18/08/2019 17:20

Exactly howwudyoufeel.
Shock horror we don't all think the same.

sackrifice · 18/08/2019 17:20

I typed 'drag is' into google

Why is drag so popular now?
BertrandRussell · 18/08/2019 17:21

“drag did have a massive following in the working men’s clubs in the North of England. As such, it was a big part of a lot of people’s culture in those areas” so did Roy Chubby Brown.

JingsMahBucket · 18/08/2019 17:22

I really wish white women would leave black women/men out of their arguments sometimes. Dig deeper and do more research regarding how white men oppressed white women instead of immediately leaping to blackface as a foil. Lots of white feminists will wholeheartedly ignore the plight of black women until it’s time to pull out some example to say, “See, we’re oppressed just like them toooooo!” Do your own work.

howwudufeel · 18/08/2019 17:23

That doesn’t prove they are equally offensive BertrandRussell.

BertrandRussell · 18/08/2019 17:28

“That doesn’t prove they are equally offensive BertrandRussell.”

No it doesn’t. But if you are saying that I e of them is untouchable due to it being part of working class culture, why isn’t the other too?

0pheIiaBaIIs · 18/08/2019 17:29

Ophelia Whether you, your DH and everyone you’ve ever met doesn’t consider drag to be part of their working-class culture, the fact is that drag did have a massive following in the working men’s clubs in the North of England. As such, it was a big part of a lot of people’s culture in those areas

Key word here is did. It doesn't any more. There are still a few drag acts knocking around but mainly in the working men's clubs/pubs which also have strippers on a Sunday afternoon for men in their 60s to drunkenly ogle while their wives are at home making the Sunday roast.

Happily that sort of 'entertainment' looks likely to die out with the generation that consumes it.

Sadly, misogyny generally looks likely to have a longer shelf life.

Fraggling · 18/08/2019 17:31

Ah do we need a hierarchy of oppression now?

Where have i heard that before as well?

sackrifice · 18/08/2019 17:32

Dig deeper and do more research regarding how white men oppressed white women instead of immediately leaping to blackface as a foil.

You mean like, for example, dressing up as them and parodying them in Northern working men's clubs?

Fraggling · 18/08/2019 17:33

Interesting the assumption that women on mn are apparently unaware of the oppression women have faced globally, and through history.

Interesting that if only women on here were more aware of how women had been oppressed in uk and beyond, we would come around to the idea of drag?

Fraggling · 18/08/2019 17:39

'Lots of white feminists will wholeheartedly ignore the plight of black women'

This is claimed a lot but the plight of women around the world is referenced lots of the time all over the place. Including mainstream media. The idea that feminists would actively ignore things that are in the news, info that is available to non feminists , is weird.

I think it's supposed to be a gotcha.

The term ' white feminists' has been used against black women who don't agree with < insert opinion here>.

This playlist is over used.

Just be nice
Hierarchy of oppression
White feminism
Probably more?
Oh yes
Women not oppressed in west any more
Professionally offended

Fraggling · 18/08/2019 17:41

No one's responded about the women who have flagged use of the word 'fish'.

I find that fishy 😀

MoltoAgitato · 18/08/2019 17:44

I’m not going to leave race out of it. Race and sex are both protected under the Equality Act. The law makes no distinction; they are of equal weight. So, what’s acceptable for one is good for the other, and vice versa.

BertrandRussell · 18/08/2019 17:45

Ah yes, the old fish gags. I think they are based around the fact that women are so pretty and sparkly and difficult to catch............

RosesAndRaindrops · 18/08/2019 17:47

I've already said I don't find them offensive.
So I'm not going to get all offended at any jokes, am I?

RosesAndRaindrops · 18/08/2019 17:47

Them being drag queens obviously

Fraggling · 18/08/2019 17:48

Lol

I'd have thought even someone who is keen on drag would baulk at calling women fish.

Interesting.

BertrandRussell · 18/08/2019 17:48

So you’re fine with the fish jokes?