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How to afford £220 childcare costs on part time £135 a week wage? It won’t add up!

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Weymo · 13/08/2019 13:28

Are there any other former lone parents, now married, with two young kids, who can advise how they afforded childcare and a job, without having to ask for handouts from their husband?
I know if you’re married you’re a unit, but anyone who’s been a lone parent knows how hard it is to ask a man for money when you’ve been used to doing it alone so long. Or more accurately let’s be honest, used to the government giving you handouts for so long.

I want to work, and I want to ensure the kids are adequately provided for in childcare. I just can’t fathom how to do this!

As a lone parent since the kids were born until they were around 7, I did work intermittently, childcare provided by after school clubs, holiday playschemes, no practical support from grandparents or other family (and no financial support from anyone including their absent dad. They didn’t offer and I’ve never borrowed from family in my life so wouldn’t have asked).

I had a part time job where Working Tax Credit paid 75% of my childcare costs.
But it doesn’t pay upfront, which is what childcare providers require, and they calculated over a year, so it only actually gave around £5 a week towards my £220 a week childcare costs.

£220 is double what I earnt in my job...so I got into debt very quickly as unpaid bills, rent shortfall, work travel costs, advance childcare costs, all began to slowly rack up.

If I’d worked full time instead I’d have lost the 75% childcare subsidy, help with housing benefit and council tax, and still wouldn’t have earnt enough to cover the childcare.

Now I’m married and my husband’s earnings just take us over the Working Tax Credit threshold, I still can’t afford to work. Childcare costs are still £220 a week.
They can’t stay with him in his industrial unit 5 days a week.
And although I have A levels I’ve no degree, so jobs will only ever be minimum wage for me. My old car is due to conk out so I can’t rely on that for a work commute for too long.

I’m 50 and have just been made redundant from my part time job. I’ll get about £400 redundancy because my employer cut my hours to 8 a week just before being made redundant, so he only has to pay redundancy rate based on 8 hours not my usual 16. Because I’ll get redundancy, and I’m now recently married, I won’t receive any state help for childcare costs.

My husband just ‘earns a living’. He’s had his own business for decades. If his customers actually paid their invoices on time, we’d be comfortable.
But only a bare handful do, and they’re the ones he’s known for years, they are loyal to eachother and decent people. Everyone else either doesn’t pay, or takes up to 9 months or more!

At this moment in time, I have £15 to last me until £34 child benefit is paid next Tuesday.
I don’t have a joint bank account with my husband.
I don’t know how to afford childcare upfront for my two kids (10 and 12...and the 12 year old is too old for after school clubs now but too immature to stay home alone...what do I do with her??)

So I’ve gone from being an unemployed single parent on around £1400 a month in benefits (including housing benefit, council tax, child tax credit, child benefit) to a part time working single parent on around £800 a month including some help for housing, childcare and council tax costs, but not enough to cover, so gradually got into debt.
To a newly married woman redundant at 50 with no savings, a self employed husband who barely earns a living thanks to his customers never paying him on time, and no hope of affording £220 a week childcare costs to go back to work.

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Heymummee · 13/08/2019 13:33

I think you need to have a chat with your husband about the split of finances. I don’t understand why childcare costs are entirely your responsibility. You’re a family and you’re not asking for handouts, you want to contribute financially by working.
This is a household cost, something you should both contribute to seeing as his income is the reason you’re not getting the same help towards the cost anymore.

Oldraver · 13/08/2019 13:33

Is your DH actively chasing the bills ? In the short term could you work for him in his business to make it pay better ?

In a year or so you wont need childcare

HilaryBriss · 13/08/2019 13:44

And although I have A levels I’ve no degree, so jobs will only ever be minimum wage for me

I'm 50 with no degree (or A levels for that matter) and earn more than minimum wage.

You need to talk to your husband - does he realise the position you are in? He needs to help, as has already been said, you are a family now and paying for childcare shouldn't be your sole responsibility.

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riotlady · 13/08/2019 13:50

You’re not a single parent anymore though, you’re married? You need to talk to your husband about your shared finances. Benefits are calculated based on both your incomes because you’re supposed to be a unit. It’s not handouts, it’s working together as a team.

BarbaraofSeville · 13/08/2019 13:50

I assume that your DH is not the DCs father and their father does not pay maintenance?

It's a common problem when a single parent remarries or just co-habits that she loses tax credits etc and her new partner is expected to make up the difference.

However, you cannot support a family on a part time wage and a hobby business, which is what it is if it doesn't earn at least ft NMW.

You might be entitled to help as a couple, but they will expect you to earn a certain amount. The days of propping up hobby businesses earning a few quid a week with generous tax credits are long gone.

If you got a full time job would your DH be able to do the childcare and work when you are at home?

The suggestion that you work for him in a 'credit control' role is a good one if you think you could do this? You could also work part time in a paid job elsewhere too.

C0untDucku1a · 13/08/2019 13:53

You need to actually communicate with your husband.

You also need to out in a cms claim. Why have you not?!

Weymo · 13/08/2019 13:54

DH isn’t their birth father, no.
Their totally absent dad has never paid any child support.

I can’t really work for him in his business it’s a specifically skilled job, I can’t even do accounts for him as I’m not numerate enough. No point doing admin or chasing unpaid invoices I’ve seen him do it and customers simply ignore him.

He used to be able to look after the kids as he worked from home in h garage, but having just moved into an industrial unit, there’s no way the kids can be in that small space around chemicals, adhesives, etc.

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sausagedoggs · 13/08/2019 13:56

Could you find a job that is during school hours? Like a dinner lady etc.

Weymo · 13/08/2019 13:57

Countducku

CMS closed the account not after failing to contact their absent dad, despite me giving them his bank account details, known addresses (he owns 2 properties), online business details, and so on, they ‘couldn’t contact him’ so they dismissed his unpaid child support debt racked up over the years and closed the account.

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sausagedoggs · 13/08/2019 13:57

Or you work evenings/weekends when he can look after them. It won't be for long, they will soon be old enough to be left alone.

Weymo · 13/08/2019 13:58

sausagedoggs

I’ve just been made redundant from a job with those hours. They’re gold dust!

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Weymo · 13/08/2019 13:58

Evening and weekends yes I’ll have to look into that I think, I’d never considered it before.

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BarbaraofSeville · 13/08/2019 13:59

Does he actually make a decent living when his customers do pay?

Does moving to the industrial unit mean that he's going be able to do more work and potentially make more money? But obviously he has rent, rates, utility bills etc to cover.

If he's making or repairing things for people, can he withhold the item until it's being paid for?

It's all very well spending his time tinkering as a single man, but when he has a family to support, he needs to pull his weight.

Molevalleys · 13/08/2019 13:59

if your husband isn't helping you then I don't understand why you got married? what was the point of getting married? You lost all your financial help from the govt so he needs to step up. how old are the kids?

Littlechocola · 13/08/2019 14:01

Can you not apply for full time positions?

NoSquirrels · 13/08/2019 14:04

How are your childcare costs so high for 2 DC of 10 & 12? Especially if you haven’t been working many hours?

NoSquirrels · 13/08/2019 14:05

At this moment in time, I have £15 to last me until £34 child benefit is paid next Tuesday.

And why are you only getting £34 child benefit?

Molevalleys · 13/08/2019 14:06

I am sorry, I see that you said they are 10 & 12. Speak to your husband.

Wishihad · 13/08/2019 14:09

£220 per week is a hug amount of child care at their ages?

Especially if you only work part time.

Breakfast and after school club for my 8 year old is £75 per week. And that's one of the most expensive around here. That's from 7.30am until 6pm. Though my ds isnt there for all that, I still have to pay the same.

Weymo · 13/08/2019 14:10

BarabaraofSeville
Not really, he has a constant overdraft. It pays our household bills and rent of around £1500 a month but I don’t think he saves anything.

He works more efficiently from the industrial unit but it’s the same old problem of customers not paying their invoices. If they did, we’d be just about ok.

In his line of work he can’t ask for money upfront, no.

LittleChoola
I can but I can’t see how to pay for the childcare costs.

NoSquirrels
It’s £220 a week for school holidays childcare.
I’ve just been made redundant from a £135 a week part time job. I covered the childcare myself or took them in to work with me. Before my new husband got his industrial until he was able to look after them at home sometimes as he worked from home then.

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Weymo · 13/08/2019 14:11

NoSquirrels
Child Benefit is £34 a week for two kids under 16.

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Weymo · 13/08/2019 14:11

We get Child Tax Credit too of around £334 a month but that goes into his bank account towards the rent, I don’t see that obviously, it’s to help keep the roof over our heads.

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Wishihad · 13/08/2019 14:13

So its not £220 per week year round?

If you went full time and use wrap around at school, if they offer it, an started during term time. You would have at least one wage to pay for holiday club.

Also you would use annual leave. Also you would be able to take parent leave. It's usually unpaid but it might be better than paying £220 per week every week if the summer holidays.

hopefulhalf · 13/08/2019 14:14

This happened to my housekeeper. Also coincided with switching over to universal credit- tricky.

NoSquirrels · 13/08/2019 14:17

Thanks for clarifying, OP.

I didn’t know child benefit could be paid weekly, ours is 4-weekly.

WTC should come to you to help pay childcare - it is literally a credit paid to allow you to work! So use it for childcare.

It’s £220 a week for school holidays childcare.
I’ve just been made redundant from a £135 a week part time job

You need to budget 52 weeks a year and average out the childcare costs. What is it in term-time?