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How to afford £220 childcare costs on part time £135 a week wage? It won’t add up!

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Weymo · 13/08/2019 13:28

Are there any other former lone parents, now married, with two young kids, who can advise how they afforded childcare and a job, without having to ask for handouts from their husband?
I know if you’re married you’re a unit, but anyone who’s been a lone parent knows how hard it is to ask a man for money when you’ve been used to doing it alone so long. Or more accurately let’s be honest, used to the government giving you handouts for so long.

I want to work, and I want to ensure the kids are adequately provided for in childcare. I just can’t fathom how to do this!

As a lone parent since the kids were born until they were around 7, I did work intermittently, childcare provided by after school clubs, holiday playschemes, no practical support from grandparents or other family (and no financial support from anyone including their absent dad. They didn’t offer and I’ve never borrowed from family in my life so wouldn’t have asked).

I had a part time job where Working Tax Credit paid 75% of my childcare costs.
But it doesn’t pay upfront, which is what childcare providers require, and they calculated over a year, so it only actually gave around £5 a week towards my £220 a week childcare costs.

£220 is double what I earnt in my job...so I got into debt very quickly as unpaid bills, rent shortfall, work travel costs, advance childcare costs, all began to slowly rack up.

If I’d worked full time instead I’d have lost the 75% childcare subsidy, help with housing benefit and council tax, and still wouldn’t have earnt enough to cover the childcare.

Now I’m married and my husband’s earnings just take us over the Working Tax Credit threshold, I still can’t afford to work. Childcare costs are still £220 a week.
They can’t stay with him in his industrial unit 5 days a week.
And although I have A levels I’ve no degree, so jobs will only ever be minimum wage for me. My old car is due to conk out so I can’t rely on that for a work commute for too long.

I’m 50 and have just been made redundant from my part time job. I’ll get about £400 redundancy because my employer cut my hours to 8 a week just before being made redundant, so he only has to pay redundancy rate based on 8 hours not my usual 16. Because I’ll get redundancy, and I’m now recently married, I won’t receive any state help for childcare costs.

My husband just ‘earns a living’. He’s had his own business for decades. If his customers actually paid their invoices on time, we’d be comfortable.
But only a bare handful do, and they’re the ones he’s known for years, they are loyal to eachother and decent people. Everyone else either doesn’t pay, or takes up to 9 months or more!

At this moment in time, I have £15 to last me until £34 child benefit is paid next Tuesday.
I don’t have a joint bank account with my husband.
I don’t know how to afford childcare upfront for my two kids (10 and 12...and the 12 year old is too old for after school clubs now but too immature to stay home alone...what do I do with her??)

So I’ve gone from being an unemployed single parent on around £1400 a month in benefits (including housing benefit, council tax, child tax credit, child benefit) to a part time working single parent on around £800 a month including some help for housing, childcare and council tax costs, but not enough to cover, so gradually got into debt.
To a newly married woman redundant at 50 with no savings, a self employed husband who barely earns a living thanks to his customers never paying him on time, and no hope of affording £220 a week childcare costs to go back to work.

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Weymo · 13/08/2019 17:22

@berlinbabylon that might be helpful. I’ll message you his website address with his email on, thanks Smile

As long as she doesn’t mention this came via mumsnet Grin

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CmdrCressidaDuck · 13/08/2019 17:43

The man had a heart attack age 46 from work stress, he deserves some little luxuries in life

Oh, yes, I'm sure his cigarettes that he pays for from his TWENTY-FIVE GRAND business overdraft are doing him the WORLD of good!

I'm sorry to shout, but seriously, what the fuck? His business is basically making a loss. You're only able to live by him running up an enormous overdraft, he appears to be spending the majority of his time working for free, you don't seem to have a clue about his finances or how to budget annually.

The number one thing the two of you need to do is start demanding payment for work done. Don't give us this "that's not possible" stuff. I don't believe for a moment that everyone in your husband's field works at a loss because customers won't tolerate being chased for payment. You work for yourself, you have to be upfront and assertive about getting paid. It comes with the territory.

The number two thing you need to do is make a proper joint budget, with childcare costs averaged out across the year.

The number three thing he needs to do is get a job because evidently he's no good at running a business and you can't afford for him to continue.

Frazzled2207 · 13/08/2019 18:46

You need to have a proper chat with your husband and budget as a family now.

Also am slightly horrified that some of his bills are "never" paid. I run my own business and yes I am chasing late invoices all the time but I wouldn't do anything for a client that doesn't pay at all. If he's been lax about invoices for years though you have a problem.

Also can The absent father not be chased for maintenance payments, albeit a massive backlog of them by now surely.

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TheABC · 13/08/2019 19:42

I freelance in a field with a lot of competition. If my clients want to work with me, there's an upfront retainer and contract to sign with crystal clear payment terms and interest added on standard BofE terms.

If they pay late more than twice, I look for an alternative client. People will only treat you like shit if you allow it to happen. They don't get the luxury of using my overdraft as a personal credit score.

If I can do it, so can your husband. The alternative is to get a standard paying job.

As for yourself, use the bloody tax credits for your kids! Get a spreadsheet, nail down what is going in and out and where you want to be in a decade. As you are in your 50s, you need to think about savings, pensions (and uni fees). Take a look at money saving expert for budgeting advice.

Finally, have a think about what you want to do as a job. Redundancy is a good time to reassess and you don't have to resign yourself to NMW jobs anymore - or even part time hours. A levels are a good basis for further study and you have already had some suggestions from bookkeeping to childminder . Your kids are old enough for holiday clubs, au pairs, or a trustworthy uni student. In a few years, you won't have to worry about holidays in the same way again.

Weymo · 13/08/2019 20:41

@1arlingtonroad

Erm, we’ve been together since 2012. I’d been split up with the kids birth dad for 3 years prior to that, so no ‘jumping in’ occurred.

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Els1e · 14/08/2019 13:02

What about both of you going on a course for self employed to help manage the money and preventing your DH doing work for free? Our local authority offer courses for free or low cost. Yours might do the same.

LittleAndOften · 14/08/2019 13:15

OP Can I recommend Dave Ramsey to you. His baby steps and cash-based approach to financial management are life-changing. There are some great fb support groups who follow his approach and their circumstances are much worse than yours (make sure you find a UK one as some things are different from the US like pensions & mortgages). Reading his Total Money Makeover has transformed our approach, after getting into silly debt when I gave up work to be an SAHM. Best of luck.

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