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How to afford £220 childcare costs on part time £135 a week wage? It won’t add up!

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Weymo · 13/08/2019 13:28

Are there any other former lone parents, now married, with two young kids, who can advise how they afforded childcare and a job, without having to ask for handouts from their husband?
I know if you’re married you’re a unit, but anyone who’s been a lone parent knows how hard it is to ask a man for money when you’ve been used to doing it alone so long. Or more accurately let’s be honest, used to the government giving you handouts for so long.

I want to work, and I want to ensure the kids are adequately provided for in childcare. I just can’t fathom how to do this!

As a lone parent since the kids were born until they were around 7, I did work intermittently, childcare provided by after school clubs, holiday playschemes, no practical support from grandparents or other family (and no financial support from anyone including their absent dad. They didn’t offer and I’ve never borrowed from family in my life so wouldn’t have asked).

I had a part time job where Working Tax Credit paid 75% of my childcare costs.
But it doesn’t pay upfront, which is what childcare providers require, and they calculated over a year, so it only actually gave around £5 a week towards my £220 a week childcare costs.

£220 is double what I earnt in my job...so I got into debt very quickly as unpaid bills, rent shortfall, work travel costs, advance childcare costs, all began to slowly rack up.

If I’d worked full time instead I’d have lost the 75% childcare subsidy, help with housing benefit and council tax, and still wouldn’t have earnt enough to cover the childcare.

Now I’m married and my husband’s earnings just take us over the Working Tax Credit threshold, I still can’t afford to work. Childcare costs are still £220 a week.
They can’t stay with him in his industrial unit 5 days a week.
And although I have A levels I’ve no degree, so jobs will only ever be minimum wage for me. My old car is due to conk out so I can’t rely on that for a work commute for too long.

I’m 50 and have just been made redundant from my part time job. I’ll get about £400 redundancy because my employer cut my hours to 8 a week just before being made redundant, so he only has to pay redundancy rate based on 8 hours not my usual 16. Because I’ll get redundancy, and I’m now recently married, I won’t receive any state help for childcare costs.

My husband just ‘earns a living’. He’s had his own business for decades. If his customers actually paid their invoices on time, we’d be comfortable.
But only a bare handful do, and they’re the ones he’s known for years, they are loyal to eachother and decent people. Everyone else either doesn’t pay, or takes up to 9 months or more!

At this moment in time, I have £15 to last me until £34 child benefit is paid next Tuesday.
I don’t have a joint bank account with my husband.
I don’t know how to afford childcare upfront for my two kids (10 and 12...and the 12 year old is too old for after school clubs now but too immature to stay home alone...what do I do with her??)

So I’ve gone from being an unemployed single parent on around £1400 a month in benefits (including housing benefit, council tax, child tax credit, child benefit) to a part time working single parent on around £800 a month including some help for housing, childcare and council tax costs, but not enough to cover, so gradually got into debt.
To a newly married woman redundant at 50 with no savings, a self employed husband who barely earns a living thanks to his customers never paying him on time, and no hope of affording £220 a week childcare costs to go back to work.

OP posts:
Molevalleys · 13/08/2019 14:18

If you have just been made redundant and aren’t working then why do you have to pay for childcare?

Heymummee · 13/08/2019 14:18

Child tax credit going to his account towards rent, yet he won’t contribute financially to child care? This isn’t fair at all.
You need to speak to him. If you want to work, which benefits you all as a family, then the childcare costs are shared too.
I find it works well to calculate your joint income and what % each of you earns towards that, then total bills and you pay a % of the bills according to the % of income. What’s left is evenly split so you’re not left on the bones of your arse.

NoSquirrels · 13/08/2019 14:19

Is part of the problem that you’re not budgeting as a team, as a married couple? You both need transparency over money.

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NoBaggyPants · 13/08/2019 14:19

Is your husband's business viable? How much profit is he making?

sausagedoggs · 13/08/2019 14:21

Sounds like you need to think more long term about things. I am lucky to only pay term time nursery costs but I pay those split equally over 12 months to reduce the monthly cost. If you're only paying that childcare for school holidays then that would be about £55 a week spread over the year, which is doable.

Weymo · 13/08/2019 14:22

NoSquirrels yes I think you’re right.

We don’t have a clue about eachother’s income and outgo.
I think there’s problems. He won £25 grand in the premium bonds a couple of years ago and it went almost immediately on his overdraft debt I think.

I don’t actually have any idea what he earns or spends Confused.

I think we need to have a proper money talk now we’re a married unit, Thankyou for highlighting this.

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AvocadosBeforeMortgages · 13/08/2019 14:23

No point doing admin or chasing unpaid invoices I’ve seen him do it and customers simply ignore him

He needs to start going down the legal route and sending Letters Before Action etc. Presumably some of these customers are ignoring him because they've learned he's a soft touch.

Start here - you can do the entire court process online for sums under £10k www.gov.uk/make-money-claim

QforCucumber · 13/08/2019 14:23

We pay for childcare only in the holidays, but we both take annual leave and also balance out the cost over 12 months so it is accounted for.

Just because you have no A Levels does not mean NMW - I have none and earn £25k for 34 hours a week.

is your husbands business making a profit? He needs to be stricter on chasing debts. What does he do that he needs a unit and needs to be there 5 days a week every week?

lazylinguist · 13/08/2019 14:26

How on earth can you have got married without having any discussions about how life was going to work and having no clue what you each earn or spend? Confused I'm not very financially savvy at all, but this is basic stuff you need to know!

Weymo · 13/08/2019 14:29

NoBaggyPants
I don’t know. He manages to pay our rent and household bills of around £1500 a month (not including food which I buy) and we have 2 old bangers to run, internet, mobile phones, console memberships, he smokes and drinks, so he must be earning enough to live on.

We just don’t have extravagances. We’ve just got back from a UK south coast bed and breakfast holiday which cost around £2grand and couldn’t really afford it, some was paid by wedding gift money, and he’s now way into his overdraft again.

We’re not ‘spiralling into debt’ because we don’t have luxuries and can pay the bills, and we live in a nice enough elderlies suburb but only because the rent is cheaper as the house is a bit shabby and outdated, but we’ll never progress from this current financial situation unless I can get back into full time work and to do that I need to figure out childcare.

My 12 year old is too immature to stay home alone yet. She’s not diagnosed, but she has a few of the same issues as that poor girl Nora currently in the news.
My 10 year old son would still need to go into childcare.

Someone mentioned evening or weekend work so I’m on indeed job website right now trawling througn.

OP posts:
munemema · 13/08/2019 14:30

It sounds like the best use of your time might be to do some admin for DH and formally chase up what he's owed.

There's not point him working if he doesn't get paid, you'll potentially "earn" more than minimum wage and you could do it from home, so don't need childcare.

If it;s really as you say, why on earth is he repeatedly taking on work he won't be paid for? He could do less and do the childcare!

But yes, the main problem is that you don't know the real situation.

Cherryade8 · 13/08/2019 14:30

You can take annual leave during school holidays, so that means no clubs/childcare costs during those weeks. Can your job include a day at the weekend and an evening (thinking supermarket jobs) so they will be with your dh and to reduce childcare costs?

dontfluffit · 13/08/2019 14:32

he gets the child tax credit into his bank?

You both need to sit down and see what comes IN and what goes OUT and WHEN.

You then both need to have access to ONE account.

Oswin · 13/08/2019 14:33

Could you do night shifts in care? No childcare needed. He would just have to send them to bed and maybe wake them up.

TheOrigFV45 · 13/08/2019 14:34

I think we need to have a proper money talk now we’re a married unit, Thankyou for highlighting this.

Since you were so let down by the father of your children, I am pretty stunned you didn't have this conversation BEFORE you got married.

Strawberrypancakes · 13/08/2019 14:41

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mindutopia · 13/08/2019 14:48

As you aren't working at the moment, presumably you don't need childcare (though I realise you probably have already committed to paying for it - but if you can't, you can't, you just may be on the outs with your childcare provider).

Beyond that, you and your dh need to figure out a way to work around childcare hours, just like everyone else with young children does. In the summer, my dh takes one day off per week and I take another (then we use 3 days paid childcare). Dh is self employed as well, so he either takes the day totally off or he does work that dc can come with him to do. Your dh could presumably work from home that day - probably doing all the admin and invoice chasing he needs to do. Perhaps days you are working, he can do that, then days you are off or working evenings, then you are home with them. Or dh takes a day off here and there to cut on childcare and then goes to his unit to work in the evenings or on the weekend. The beauty of having one of you self employed is that there is a lot of flexibility in your working hours and you need to use that to your advantage, regardless of whether or not your dh is their dad.

Then you need to work out your joint finances. You have xx amount you need to cover joint expenses. I would consider your dc to be one of them, regardless of whether he is their biological dad. You're married and you're a unit. You both contribute to that. If your dh's business isn't making enough money to cover basic household expenses, he needs to close up shop and get a job. It's lovely to be self employed, but if it eats up all your time and there is no money coming in, then it's just an expensive hobby. He also perhaps needs some support with business skills. I truly can't imagine any business that couldn't involve payment upon delivery. My dh works in a business where he makes things from raw materials. With rare exception (existing corporate clients who he knows have a track record of paying on time), everything can be paid on delivery if it's warranted. I think if that many of his clients aren't ever paying, he needs to stop doing business with them and implement a different sort of approach to accounts and invoicing.

CaMePlaitPas · 13/08/2019 14:51

OP, in the nicest possible way, do you even talk to your husband? There seems to be zero communication between you. When he married you he knew he was taking on two children too, you're going to need to sort this out with him.

Adversecamber22 · 13/08/2019 14:56

You need to know what his income is even though variable. I have separate finances to DH but there is transparency and we aren’t in the sort of position you are.

While job hunting get to chasing his customers for their outstanding bills. I think nightshift work is your current answer. When the dc are back at school you can sleep in the day.

Tiredtessy · 13/08/2019 15:00

Was you living with him before you got married? I cang believe you know nothing about him, just bizarre

Toknowornot · 13/08/2019 15:00

Go to your GP. Push for your daughter to be seen because then you might be eligible for DLA or even carer's allowance if she is diagnosed. It's not fair that you have to pay such high childcare costs if your daughter has an undiagnosed issue.

Waxonwaxoff0 · 13/08/2019 15:01

Not helpful I know but this is why I won't ever marry or cohabit while DS is still young. Unless you marry a wealthy man a lot of single mothers end up worse off financially!

I'd look into evening work if you can.

SilverySurfer · 13/08/2019 15:05

I think we need to have a proper money talk now we’re a married unit

Seriously OP, the time for a discussion about money should have been BEFORE you got married.

JudgeRindersMinder · 13/08/2019 15:06

I see someone’s already mentioned it, but these customer’s of your dh’s are benefitting to your detriment-it’s time he grew a pair and went down the legal route for these unpaid bills.

You need to stop being so passive and letting life happen to you, if you feel you aren’t numerate enough to do invoices, then learn-there are plenty adult resources for literacy and numeracy.

If dh works during the day, then you work in the evening. Dh amd I did it for years, he came in from work and I went out. Never any issues over childcare, kids off school unwell etc.

Herocomplex · 13/08/2019 15:06

You can definitely help him chase up his invoices.

You ring the person who owes money and say

Hello, this is Weymo from the creditor payments dept at . Can I ask when the payment fir invoice 123 will be paid? I’m happy to email a copy.
I’d also like to point out that our terms are thirty days following invoice, and our policy is to refer unpaid invoices to a factoring agency if they remain unpaid.

I can give you our payment details again if you like? I will be happy to speak to you anytime to resolve this, just call. Thanks!

It’s your husbands money, get tough, why should your life be difficult because other people are keeping it?

Once you’ve done it a couple of times, it gets very easy. Don’t be put off, stick to the script.
Good luck.

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