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How to afford £220 childcare costs on part time £135 a week wage? It won’t add up!

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Weymo · 13/08/2019 13:28

Are there any other former lone parents, now married, with two young kids, who can advise how they afforded childcare and a job, without having to ask for handouts from their husband?
I know if you’re married you’re a unit, but anyone who’s been a lone parent knows how hard it is to ask a man for money when you’ve been used to doing it alone so long. Or more accurately let’s be honest, used to the government giving you handouts for so long.

I want to work, and I want to ensure the kids are adequately provided for in childcare. I just can’t fathom how to do this!

As a lone parent since the kids were born until they were around 7, I did work intermittently, childcare provided by after school clubs, holiday playschemes, no practical support from grandparents or other family (and no financial support from anyone including their absent dad. They didn’t offer and I’ve never borrowed from family in my life so wouldn’t have asked).

I had a part time job where Working Tax Credit paid 75% of my childcare costs.
But it doesn’t pay upfront, which is what childcare providers require, and they calculated over a year, so it only actually gave around £5 a week towards my £220 a week childcare costs.

£220 is double what I earnt in my job...so I got into debt very quickly as unpaid bills, rent shortfall, work travel costs, advance childcare costs, all began to slowly rack up.

If I’d worked full time instead I’d have lost the 75% childcare subsidy, help with housing benefit and council tax, and still wouldn’t have earnt enough to cover the childcare.

Now I’m married and my husband’s earnings just take us over the Working Tax Credit threshold, I still can’t afford to work. Childcare costs are still £220 a week.
They can’t stay with him in his industrial unit 5 days a week.
And although I have A levels I’ve no degree, so jobs will only ever be minimum wage for me. My old car is due to conk out so I can’t rely on that for a work commute for too long.

I’m 50 and have just been made redundant from my part time job. I’ll get about £400 redundancy because my employer cut my hours to 8 a week just before being made redundant, so he only has to pay redundancy rate based on 8 hours not my usual 16. Because I’ll get redundancy, and I’m now recently married, I won’t receive any state help for childcare costs.

My husband just ‘earns a living’. He’s had his own business for decades. If his customers actually paid their invoices on time, we’d be comfortable.
But only a bare handful do, and they’re the ones he’s known for years, they are loyal to eachother and decent people. Everyone else either doesn’t pay, or takes up to 9 months or more!

At this moment in time, I have £15 to last me until £34 child benefit is paid next Tuesday.
I don’t have a joint bank account with my husband.
I don’t know how to afford childcare upfront for my two kids (10 and 12...and the 12 year old is too old for after school clubs now but too immature to stay home alone...what do I do with her??)

So I’ve gone from being an unemployed single parent on around £1400 a month in benefits (including housing benefit, council tax, child tax credit, child benefit) to a part time working single parent on around £800 a month including some help for housing, childcare and council tax costs, but not enough to cover, so gradually got into debt.
To a newly married woman redundant at 50 with no savings, a self employed husband who barely earns a living thanks to his customers never paying him on time, and no hope of affording £220 a week childcare costs to go back to work.

OP posts:
Weymo · 13/08/2019 15:39

@Palaver1 in his trade you can’t collect money upfront, nobody in his trade does it.

He will if it’s a certain type of new customer and by that I mean it’s always the same type of person that runs the sort of business my husband supplies to. Every time. Then he’ll ask upfront.

But most of his customers are regulars over the decades, and he’s such a friendly man, he’ll bend over backwards to help people out, but they’ll take advantage of him.

Maybe I do need to look into how to do debt chasing admin for him, but it’s a delicate thing you know, these regular customers wouldn’t use him again if he suddenly starting getting panicky and demanding about them laying their invoice.
As a guide, he’s let people off before because they’re having personal or financial issues of their own, ie they’re about to be re-possessed or similar. So he’ll give them longer to pay.

And then thy go on holiday to Spain.

This actually happened Shock.

OP posts:
Palaver1 · 13/08/2019 15:40

I’m cross so cross For both of you.
Chase the father of your children up .
Chase the pisstakers up as well
They are all robbers and rouges the whole lot of them.

adaline · 13/08/2019 15:41

Why didn't you talk about money and childcare before moving in together and giving up your independence?

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Palaver1 · 13/08/2019 15:41

I’m livid now.Taking bloody liberty.

TinklyLittleLaugh · 13/08/2019 15:43

And if they’re not repeat customers then follow the procedure that leads to the small claims court.

Maybe we were lucky, but in 16 years of running a business every single person paid up eventually, though we did refuse to deal with some because of poor credit checks and we did demand payment upfront from some.

ElizaPancakes · 13/08/2019 15:44

This and the drinking? Oh boy.

Palaver1 · 13/08/2019 15:44

adaline she knows now but she’s in love.I just want her to chase that twat the father of her children.Thats where the leak is ,if he was contributing to his children’s welfare OP would be okay.

Weymo · 13/08/2019 15:51

@Palaver1 I am listening to all advice, and I will act on it.

I can’t chase the birth father up, there’s a DV past with him, it’s too dangerous and risky to get back in touch with him, but I’ll ask my local MP to make complaints to the CMS.

And yes, I can see that people are taking advantage of my husband’s nature with the refusal to pay invoices quickly thing.

I need to talk to him. I didn’t do this neformarriage because he’s a decent, sensible man, he never worries about stuff really, ‘don’t fret the big stuff’, he says. So I didn’t have cause to ask about finances.

OP posts:
Palaver1 · 13/08/2019 15:52

All the bestxxx

adaline · 13/08/2019 15:53

I didn’t do this neformarriage because he’s a decent, sensible man, he never worries about stuff really, ‘don’t fret the big stuff’, he says. So I didn’t have cause to ask about finances

I'm sorry OP but this is a really daft viewpoint to have. You're not on your own - you have two children to support and you didn't think to ask how important things like childcare would be covered if you got married?

HillRunner · 13/08/2019 15:54

Good plan re: your MP - your children's father should be contributing if possible.

You don't need 'a cause' to discuss finances with someone you're marrying, it's not something you only do if you're suspicious...

When you marry you are tying yourself to someone legally, and it was foolish to do this without discussing money.

berlinbabylon · 13/08/2019 15:57

If his customers actually paid their invoices on time, we’d be comfortable

This doesn't help you but this makes me so angry. I work freelance and my clients are fantastic about paying my invoices on time. I am very lucky. But in my previous job at a small trade association I was shocked at how our clients took the mick and didn't pay invoices for months after they were due. The government does need to do something about this, and if they want people to be entrepreneurial after Brexit they need to make it a priority. The lady who did the finance job was amazing at getting them to pay up, she is leaving that job soon, maybe I should put her in touch with your husband?

Jent13c · 13/08/2019 15:57

If you do nights you can easy have the kids at home while you sleep, they are old enough to entertain themselves. 2 nights a week would be 22.5 hours at around 18k pro rata. Also you would earn unsocial hours pay on top of that. Realistically it would only be for a few years until the kids were old enough to stay at home. Once they were back to school you could do days or even get a lighter job if you found care work too heavy.

You need to have a look at your outgoings too, I dont think your bills seem particularly high but have you checked all your insurances recently to see if you could be paying less? Would you require 2 cars if you were working opposite shifts? It's quite the added expense running a second car. I currently car share between 3 adults and it's honestly never been an issue.

pelirocco123 · 13/08/2019 16:00

Herocomplex Tue 13-Aug-19 15:06:48
You can definitely help him chase up his invoices.

You ring the person who owes money and say

Hello, this is Weymo from the creditor payments dept at . Can I ask when the payment fir invoice 123 will be paid? I’m happy to email a copy.
I’d also like to point out that our terms are thirty days following invoice, and our policy is to refer unpaid invoices to a factoring agency if they remain unpaid.

I can give you our payment details again if you like? I will be happy to speak to you anytime to resolve this, just call. Thanks!

It’s your husbands money, get tough, why should your life be difficult because other people are keeping it?

Once you’ve done it a couple of times, it gets very easy. Don’t be put off, stick to the script.
Good luck.

I think you may mean a collection agency , factoring is something completely different

OP does your husband have people he works for on a regular basis ? , if so and they are habitual late payers , then you refuse to work for them again
If it is one of customers , it is payment on receipt . Get a card machine , then there is no excuse for them not to pay
If he offers credit terms , and on the whole I would advise against that if you are a small business , you put on the bottom of the invoice your payment terms and add any queries need to be raised within 7 days . You are allowed to charge interest on late payment if its in your t&c's / on bottom of invoice
If you have persistent non payers then dont do work for them , its very easy to be busy with work , its getting paid for it and making a profit that is important , and if this isnt happening thn he needs to walk away from it
If you are struggling because he is being paid late , it is quite possible he isnt making enough or any profit

Itcouldbeyou · 13/08/2019 16:03

How do you get TC if you don’t know what he earns

1arlingtonroad · 13/08/2019 16:03

*@1arlingtonroad These kids are better off in this marriage with this good man.

We came from a DV background with their birth dad.*
How long have you been together? It sounds as though you jumped into marriage with a stranger just so you have someone. The kids would be better off with their mother who is financially in control.
This thread coupled with your 2nd one started today about your dh drinking, I reiterate I feel sorry for your kids.

selfishcrab · 13/08/2019 16:19

My friend works early mornings starts about 5am and finishes about 9:30 am doing the food picking in a supermarket, would your DH be able o do school run a few times a week/ leave later for work?

AcrossthePond55 · 13/08/2019 16:24

As far as an evening/weekend job, is your husband willing to watch after the children whilst you work? Is his trade such that he could have the children after school at his place of business?

And yes, you absolutely need to sit down and have a serious talk with him about income/outgoings and the future. Point out to him that if you can't afford childcare (or he won't provide it) then you won't be able to get a job and start contributing more to the family finances.

aspoonfulweighsaton · 13/08/2019 16:29

As others have said childcare costs need to be considered over the year - which would make starting at the beginning of the school holidays difficult. But it's the perfect time to get searching for when the children go back. I was at risk of a period of unemployment recently and had looked into care work which seemed to offer a good chance of flexible hours.

Personally i'd try for school hours and minimum childcare before evenings/weekend in terms of quality of family life. If he is self employed could he manage his hours a bit flexibly to free you up a bit? Eg could he work a few longer days and do a couple of early finishes/school pick ups? Or he could do all morning drop offs and you could start early?

Like others have also said I can't get my head around a 2k holiday and then having so little cash left. I don't get the needing a break as a reason. Life just isn't like that if you have two children and a low income. I have DC, I work and I had a 1/4 of that as a holiday budget. Chilling out with DC is the break.

I guess it's tricky when they aren't his children. Sometimes a step parent takes on responsibility for the children and sometimes they don't. Does he know the impact on your income of living together? Is there a chance he just didn't realise that your income dropped a lot when you moved in together?

Soontobe60 · 13/08/2019 16:30

OP, you’re making excuses. Your childcare over a year probably works out at less that £100 a week. If you work 30 hours a week on minimum wage that would bring you in more than enough to cover it and leave you with maybe £150 in your hand. Then if you have your holidays during school holidays you’re reducing the childcare costs even further.

aspoonfulweighsaton · 13/08/2019 16:35

Like others have also said I can't get my head around a 2k holiday and then having so little cash left. I don't get the needing a break as a reason. Life just isn't like that if you have two children and a low income. I have DC, I work and I had a 1/4 of that as a holiday budget. Chilling out with DC is the break.

Sorry that sounds really patronising or something. It just seems he's told you he "needs" a break, yet you are left struggling the rest of the school hols.

katewhinesalot · 13/08/2019 16:38

You say the customers will move company if Dh starts demanding payment. So what? They'll have to pay them so it's unlikely they'll go elsewhere. And if they do they don't pay you anyway so what has he lost?

You also say he says "don't fret about the small stuff". He obviously is or he wouldn't be so stressed.

Cerseilannisterinthesnow · 13/08/2019 16:46

Just to point out taking annual leave in the holidays doesn’t necessarily mean your childcare bill will be cheaper. My childminder charges me if I am off for the week but not if she is off so my holidays are taken at the same time as hers. So will depend on your provider

Herocomplex · 13/08/2019 16:57

Hi pelirocco selling invoices at a discount is debt factoring. How am I wrong?

Namechangeforthiscancershit · 13/08/2019 16:59

You DH does not need customers who don't pay. If he is really struggling with this credit control thing, would he be better off working for someone else.

As for you it does not need to be NMW. Loads of people don't have degrees. You have had your confidence knocked by this redundancy which is all understandable but you need to brush yourself off and realise you have tons to offer.