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How to afford £220 childcare costs on part time £135 a week wage? It won’t add up!

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Weymo · 13/08/2019 13:28

Are there any other former lone parents, now married, with two young kids, who can advise how they afforded childcare and a job, without having to ask for handouts from their husband?
I know if you’re married you’re a unit, but anyone who’s been a lone parent knows how hard it is to ask a man for money when you’ve been used to doing it alone so long. Or more accurately let’s be honest, used to the government giving you handouts for so long.

I want to work, and I want to ensure the kids are adequately provided for in childcare. I just can’t fathom how to do this!

As a lone parent since the kids were born until they were around 7, I did work intermittently, childcare provided by after school clubs, holiday playschemes, no practical support from grandparents or other family (and no financial support from anyone including their absent dad. They didn’t offer and I’ve never borrowed from family in my life so wouldn’t have asked).

I had a part time job where Working Tax Credit paid 75% of my childcare costs.
But it doesn’t pay upfront, which is what childcare providers require, and they calculated over a year, so it only actually gave around £5 a week towards my £220 a week childcare costs.

£220 is double what I earnt in my job...so I got into debt very quickly as unpaid bills, rent shortfall, work travel costs, advance childcare costs, all began to slowly rack up.

If I’d worked full time instead I’d have lost the 75% childcare subsidy, help with housing benefit and council tax, and still wouldn’t have earnt enough to cover the childcare.

Now I’m married and my husband’s earnings just take us over the Working Tax Credit threshold, I still can’t afford to work. Childcare costs are still £220 a week.
They can’t stay with him in his industrial unit 5 days a week.
And although I have A levels I’ve no degree, so jobs will only ever be minimum wage for me. My old car is due to conk out so I can’t rely on that for a work commute for too long.

I’m 50 and have just been made redundant from my part time job. I’ll get about £400 redundancy because my employer cut my hours to 8 a week just before being made redundant, so he only has to pay redundancy rate based on 8 hours not my usual 16. Because I’ll get redundancy, and I’m now recently married, I won’t receive any state help for childcare costs.

My husband just ‘earns a living’. He’s had his own business for decades. If his customers actually paid their invoices on time, we’d be comfortable.
But only a bare handful do, and they’re the ones he’s known for years, they are loyal to eachother and decent people. Everyone else either doesn’t pay, or takes up to 9 months or more!

At this moment in time, I have £15 to last me until £34 child benefit is paid next Tuesday.
I don’t have a joint bank account with my husband.
I don’t know how to afford childcare upfront for my two kids (10 and 12...and the 12 year old is too old for after school clubs now but too immature to stay home alone...what do I do with her??)

So I’ve gone from being an unemployed single parent on around £1400 a month in benefits (including housing benefit, council tax, child tax credit, child benefit) to a part time working single parent on around £800 a month including some help for housing, childcare and council tax costs, but not enough to cover, so gradually got into debt.
To a newly married woman redundant at 50 with no savings, a self employed husband who barely earns a living thanks to his customers never paying him on time, and no hope of affording £220 a week childcare costs to go back to work.

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Palaver1 · 13/08/2019 15:07

Most of this should have been done before marriage, a lot of useful advice has been given .
I must say going back to the absent father..you need to pursue this.

NoSquirrels · 13/08/2019 15:10

he smokes and drinks ...

And you pay the CTC into his account? Stop!

Weymo · 13/08/2019 15:11

@Strawberrypancakes

I know, you’re right, but he works so hard the holiday isn’t about us having a good time, it’s for him to get a break more. His phone never rang once with work related stuff whilst we were away and he definitely looked more relaxed, so it was important for him.

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1arlingtonroad · 13/08/2019 15:12

We don’t have a clue about eachother’s income and outgo.
I think there’s problems. He won £25 grand in the premium bonds a couple of years ago and it went almost immediately on his overdraft debt I think.

I don’t actually have any idea what he earns or spends confused.

I think we need to have a proper money talk now we’re a married unit, Thankyou for highlighting this
I can’t actually believe you have married someone with so little knowledge of the financial situation you were letting yourself into. Your poor kids.

Weymo · 13/08/2019 15:13

@Palaver1 it can’t be pursued, CMS have dismissed the chi,pls support and arrears because ‘they can’t contact him’ even though I’ve given CMS his bank details, addresses, etc. No CMS case now exists, it’s closed. The only way to get money now is to take CMS to court ; that’s not going to happen !

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Weymo · 13/08/2019 15:14

@NoSquirrels he pays all the rent and household bills it’s right he should have the child tax credit money as it goes towards that.

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NoSquirrels · 13/08/2019 15:15

CMS have dismissed the chi,pls support and arrears because ‘they can’t contact him’ even though I’ve given CMS his bank details, addresses, etc. No CMS case now exists, it’s closed.

Contact your MP. This is the sort of thing they’re supposed to look into for constituents.

Weymo · 13/08/2019 15:15

@1arlingtonroad These kids are better off in this marriage with this good man.

We came from a DV background with their birth dad.

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Weymo · 13/08/2019 15:17

@NoSquirrels I would but our local MP is a notoriously ignorant and dismissive Tory bigot Sad

I’ll send a letter anyway, always worth a try. Thankyou.

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Youmadorwhat · 13/08/2019 15:18

We’re not ‘spiralling into debt’ because we don’t have luxuries and can pay the bills

But you are because a 2k holiday and smoking and drinking ARE luxuries that you clearly cannot afford...sorry OP but that is the truth imo.

TinklyLittleLaugh · 13/08/2019 15:24

You should have a procedure for chasing unpaid invoices. And you should charge interest for late payments.
You should be checking customer’s credit rating before doing work upfront without payment.
You can do some of this work for your DH, he can pay you and take it from profits and therefore at less tax.
Many councils run free or cheap bookkeeping courses; I did one and kept our business accounts for years.

iMatter · 13/08/2019 15:25

Whilst you're looking for a new job would you consider helping your DH chase the money he's owed?

Get a list of customers who owe him money and write them all a punchy letter requesting payment in 7 days. Threaten legal action (have a google so you understand how to do this just in case)

I suspect his customers have realised he won't chase them so they put him to the bottom of their payment pile. If they realise that times are changing and they can't get away with not paying you will probably find bills get paid more quickly and you will be so much better off as a family.

Sooverthemill · 13/08/2019 15:25

Childcare costs are a killer. Can you look into work you could do from home? Maybe registration as a childminder would work for you? Get a job Working just during term times?

About your finance stuff: you are married now so all the money issues are both of yours so both of you should have a good understanding of what goes out and what comes in. Moneysavingexpert has a really good budgeting spreadsheet you can download. We used it when I lost my job. You can see at a glance what you spend your money in and what you need to cut. You have essential payments eg rent/ mortgage/ fuel/ council tax/food and debts which are enforceable and you have other stuff like new clothes and going out. And cigarettes and alcohol. You need to sort it out.

TheOrigFV45 · 13/08/2019 15:30

Did you file an official complaint with CMS?

I have had to do that.

Palaver1 · 13/08/2019 15:31

Why unless his dead and gone to the moon.
Just because they didn’t have any luck the first time doesn’t mean they won’t have any luck this time around .
You have been given advice on contacting your MP.
WHY should you be this stressed and the father of your children breeze around.
It’s not good enough,please please don’t dismiss this.
There are no first prizes for suffering ,you deserve more and so do your children.
It’s unfair on your whole family.

Weymo · 13/08/2019 15:33

@Youmadorwhat I won’t argue there. The holiday was to give him a break from work stress. It was for him. He deserves a break. His smoking and drinking are his luxuries, yes. The man had a heart attack age 46 from work stress, he deserves some little luxuries in life.

@iMatter problem is he’s tried chasing customers. Letters, speaking in person, phone calls, they just outright blankly ignore him. I know he always gives up chasing eventually. You’re right that that some realise he’s a soft touch and put him to the bottom of the pile though.

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Palaver1 · 13/08/2019 15:33

Another thing get your husband to collect half of his bill upfront.
No small business will be successful if credit is handed out to all and sundry.
Why should he break his back and not get paid.
His got a family now ,no more Mr nice guy

Weymo · 13/08/2019 15:35

@Palaver1 Yes, I’m going to have time now I’m redundant to spin off a couple of letters to my local MP as someone else suggested, and maybe a complaint to CMS.

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BarbaraofSeville · 13/08/2019 15:37

Are any of the people who don't pay him repeat customers?

I hope he point blank refuses to do any more work for those who haven't paid for previous work.

Palaver1 · 13/08/2019 15:37

It’s better he doesn’t do the job,There have been thousands of small business that have closed due to this sort of crap ,why should someone think they should not pay for a service. if I went to my hairdresser surely I would have to pay .You can’t go to a supermarket and fill your trolley without paying nah it’s not on.
He can’t continue.

linoleum · 13/08/2019 15:37

He had a heart attack aged 46 and he’s still smoking? Seriously? How much closer to death does he need to be to pack it in? That alone would save you £££...

AngelasAshes · 13/08/2019 15:38

You could try a proof reading job from home. I’ve noticed your posts are very good grammar and spelling wise

gwriters.uk/jobs/proofreading-jobs

Ribeebie · 13/08/2019 15:39

What @linoleum said Confused

AngelasAshes · 13/08/2019 15:39

Your DH should request a deposit for any work. Even dentists do this!

Herocomplex · 13/08/2019 15:39

Get a pile of the unpaid invoices and get down to the small claims court, or sell the debts on then.
Don’t give up.