Child thrown from 10th floor at Tate Modern

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-47214207

Who would do something like this? Scary.

They wouldn't be charged for NHS treatment would they anyway? I know they will incur other costs, from having to stay in the UK

@Pricedrop if they can prove they would be covered in France it's free here too. It the NHS does send bills out to people can't say how many ever pay them!

The man is ill, he carried out the act but something in his care had

That doesn't make what he did acceptable

Where has anyone here said that it makes his actions acceptable?

There have been failings in the care and supervision of this teenager, its unacceptable that he was allowed to get into a situation like this by those responsible for his wellbeing and what he did was horrific but it remains to be seen whether he has the capacity to be deemed responsible for his own actions.

People calling for him to be strung up, calling him a monster, calling him evil, saying he should be locked away forever have no understanding of severe mental illness.

It is a complex situation but having concerns about how it was allowed to happen and that this boy was possibly failed by his care team is not the same thing as saying his actions were acceptable.

Exactly Venger

It saddens me that people who would probably believe they are empathic and would be sympathetic towards someone who say suffered from clinical depression show such a lack of empathy towards those suffering from paranoid schizophrenia

Venger I agree and I’m sure he won’t be strung up or sent down for life, he will be sent to a secure mental health unit where his mental health will be regularly assessed. Most case of schizophrenia are treatable (not all) and there’s a chance that in time he will be safe to be out in public. Schizophrenia is a very complex and although it doesn’t make it ok for what he did he could be a totally different person when/if he recovers from his illness. Such a sad story for all concerned 😟

He won’t ever be trusted again though will he?

He won’t ever be trusted again though will he? If he makes a full recovery from his illness and has no relapses then it’s possible he could be trusted. I’m guessing his mental health will always be monitored. Some people do make a full recovery from schizophrenia.

Would you trust him? With your child? On a viewing platform? Doubtful.

If he had recovered from his illness, yes.

I think you’re in the vast minority. I wouldn’t ever trust him again.

You will walk about with people that have committed violent crimes and no longer suffer from the paranoia that led them to become violent

Might even be someone you are quite close to and think is really nice - because like those people who do not suffer from this awful mh diagnosis you get those who are nice and not so nice

I know several people who have been dangerous in the past due to psychosis, they are totally different people now they are well. I have a family member who has schizophrenia, he was quite poorly a few years ago, I saw him change from a lovely young man to a danger to himself and others, he was hospitalised (sectioned) several times but is now well and hasn’t had a relapse for several years, it’s pretty easy to spot when he is having a relapse and the mental health team are quick at responding and keeping him and others safe, he may never have another relapse. I work with people with schizophrenia and one of these people will never recover (his illness does not respond to medication), he could never be trusted but his case is pretty rare, most cases are treatable with medication and many fully recover.

When someone is suffering psychosis they don’t really have any control over their mind, they are paranoid, they hear voices which are very real to them and of course this can be very dangerous.

If this lad was so unwell that he needed 2 carers, if he was as unwell as people describe (dangerous, doesn’t take no for and answer) then he probably should have been in a secure unit to stop something like this happening, sadly the way things work is someone has to physically harm someone before they can be put into a secure unit.

My (very limited) experience of schizophrenia is that it doesn't go from 0 to 100 really quickly though? This lad would have been showing signs of becoming increasingly destabilised over at least days/weeks before it got so severe that he did this?

Who is talking about trusting him on a viewing platform with children? Utterly ridiculous. His care failed and a child was seriously injured because of that failure. 2:1 isn’t funded for nothing and whatever organisation was responsible for him on that day bears a major part of the blame for what he did.

Recent update published - www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7370853/Parents-schoolboy-thrown-Tate-Modern-say-extent-injuries-unknown.html. So sorry to hear what this little boy and his family are still going through.

The report clarifies a little what is alleged to have happened:

"The child is said to have walked a short distance from his parents and was allegedly picked up and thrown over the edge in an action that was 'carried out extremely swiftly and in one movement', the court heard."

@PieceofPurpleSky purported to be terribly offended when I suggested that maybe the reports of the child being taken out of his mother's arms were inaccurate. Any chance of an apology?