20 yo DS has mumps and so do 5 of his friends

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All have been vaccinated.

They were all at the same party 2 weeks ago .
He’s really poorly with it 😢

Evidence has been linked to multiple times now, Jenny. You are choosing to ignore it. Typical antivaxxer.

My best friend had mumps when we were in secondary school. His Mum hadn’t vaccinated him, she didn’t trust the vaccines . He was very ill indeed.

We are going to lose our herd immunity if wanker anti vaxxers don’t get off YouTube and read some actual solid evidence soon. So sad. Hope your DS is ok.

unable to back up points you've made with evidence

There's been plenty of evidence, if you choose to ignore it that's your lookout. But it's completely disingenuous to say the points made haven't been backed up with evidence.

Those of us who believe vaccination is a good thing - references to CDC, WHO, NHS, medical journals

Really! You must have missed the posts from NCIB or from the federal court. Clearly you can't prove your points or you would have.

I remember having the mumps and not being able to turn my head as my glands were so swollen. Awful

In the light of all this, I am leaning towards getting my boys reimmunised with MMR (middle one had single measles + MMR so only had one dose of mumps and eldest - the one with the immunity test - only had max one properly effective dose). We're not in the UK and there's no teen 'booster' (wrong term really) here either, but health service is v pro-MMR so I assume it won't be a problem. We don't hear about student mumps outbreaks,. but students are less likely to live in halls here.

Hope your DS gets better soon. Such a worry when boys get mumps post puberty.

I had the smallpox vaccine (which will likely tell you how old I am) and it clearly hasn't done me any harm.

Better to what I am than be a pharma rep whose company is being dragged through the courts.

My ds twins are 14 - both were vaccinated when younger and in January this year one of them woke up with mumps! GP had to notify the HO and he was in quarantine. Weirdly, his brother didn't get it.

Clearly you can't prove your points or you would have

I did
You're just talking nonsense now Jenny. If you're struggling to understand the thread then perhaps it's time for you to go back to your FB group "VACCINEZ THE TROOF" where everyone agrees with your utter nonsense.

redspider I'm glad you found it helpful.

Really! You must have missed the posts from NCIB or from the federal court. Clearly you can't prove your points or you would have.

Do you mean the NCBI? If so I shall assume you mean their warning s about the possible adverse reactions to vaccines. Which nobody would deny are very real.. various conclusions from various NCBI listed resuces end a bit like this one Some parents think that MMR is unsafe because it has some adverse effects, but this is not the case. These side effects, most of which are benign, are acknowledged by members of the medical profession. The benefits of MMR far outweigh the risks of these recognized side effects. The vaccine has an excellent safety record. Hundreds of millions of children have safely received the vaccine worldwide.

Or this one MMR vaccination is effective for the primary prevention of target and not targeted infectious diseases and may also limit hospitalizations for respiratory diseases.

And we tend to dismiss things like class action suits in the US... cos many of them are weird... like the talc lady!

www.scientificamerican.com/article/evidence-on-talc-cancer-risk-differs-for-jurors-researchers/?redirect=1

So do forgive us for laughing at your facebook research and relying on real medical research instead!

Better to what I am than be a pharma rep whose company is being dragged through the courts Merck? 9 years and counting and none of tthe evidence has been tested, so ....

So do forgive us for laughing at your facebook research and relying on real medical research instead!

It was a testimony from a nurse not usually found in research papers unless they actually do rearch on it.

So no proof that the unvaccinated are at the centre of this outbreak in the UK but lots of people that are vaccinated have got mumps.

Jenny that article about inadequately attenuated vaccine had to do with four lots from one manufacturer many years ago. The cohort was three schools in Suriname.

The MMR vaccine was produced by the Serum Institute of India and contained the Leningrad-Zagreb strain of mumps virus. Four lots were used in the specific immunization campaign.

Can you cite anything more recent or widespread?

It was an opinion from a nurse not usually found in research papers unless they actually do re se arch on it.

I fixed that for you!

So no proof that the unvaccinated are at the centre of this outbreak in the UK Nobody has said they are!!! WHat a woerd leap t make!

but lots of people that are vaccinated have got mumps Yes, and real medical research explains why.. and has been linked to in this very thread

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So no proof that the unvaccinated are at the centre of this outbreak in the UK

Several posters have provided this. Curious and Conduct (amongst others) have literally spelled it out to you. You still don't understand.

The reason us "pro-vaxxers" feel so passionately about challenging anti-vaxxers is because of the real people being seriously affected by this movement. Innocent children, vulnerable people are becoming seriously ill, disabled and even dying because of this.

I fixed that for you!

That made me laugh. Thanks.

My child had a good but brief fever and swelling around neck/jaw. SW, primary school.

Vaccinated. Interesting it seems to be doing the rounds.

Huggy and Curious should really stop contradicting each other.

I fixed that for you!

Nope. I called it a testimony becuase the nurse said her family are up to date with vaccinations and still got mumps. That's not an opinion.

Really stop being disrespectful people can read through the deflection.

DD had very swollen lymph nodes - one side particularly - and a fever on and off for a couple of days around 10 days after the MMR. Still preferable to full blown mumps or measles by a long shot. These rare things are more down to the individuals immune response than some scary vaccine consequence. Stop scare mongering Breastmilk.

Nope. I called it a testimony becuase the nurse said her family are up to date with vaccinations and still got mumps. That's not an opinion

And it's already been said that the vaccine is 88% effective and can start to wane. 88% is still better than no protection

Nope. I called it a testimony becuase the nurse said her family are up to date with vaccinations and still got mumps. That's not an opinion.

No, it’s a manifestation of the known effectiveness of the vaccine, including over time, combined with vaccination rates in Pennsylvania that are below the level required to protect people in whom the vaccine is not (or no longer) effective.

(But you know this already, Jenny, because I posted it, the vaccination rates in Pennsylvania and the reference to journal articles on herd immunity vaccination rates for mumps on the last thread you shared the nurse and the outbreak from Suriname in the 90s, where others also explained to you why these didn’t support the hypotheses you were putting forward.)