20 yo DS has mumps and so do 5 of his friends

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All have been vaccinated.

They were all at the same party 2 weeks ago .
He’s really poorly with it 😢

www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/men-acwy-vaccine/

TheBreastmilksOnMe, I don’t want to embarrass you pet, but you’re on the wrong thread. 😉

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Jenny17 PublicHealthEngland The WHO say that the low uptake of MMR vaccination is repsonsible. The WHO say the same. How much more evidence do you need.

I'll let you google it... but just in case

publichealthengland.exposure.co/50-years-of-measles-vaccination-in-the-uk

Snippets for you

The WHO confirmed that the UK had eliminated measles in 2016. This is a huge achievement and a testament to the hard work of health professionals in the NHS, which led to uptake of the first dose of the MMR vaccine in 5 year olds reaching the 95% WHO target for the first time in 2016.... [2018] there have already been close to 900 laboratory confirmed measles cases, with several outbreaks across the country mainly linked to importations from Europe. Young people and adults aged 15 years and over – who missed out on the MMR vaccine when they were younger – have been particularly affected. There are also inequalities in vaccine uptake by ethnicity, deprivation and geography, and therefore the burden of measles falls disproportionately on some communities.

The mumps component of the MMR genuinely isn't as effective as the other ones. My dc1 had an immunity test between his first and second MMRs and his mumps immunity was borderline even then, relatively soon after the vaccine (the others were fine). I'm pro-vax but I don't think this can just be blamed on the anti-vaxxers, nor on the autism scare, for that matter. I'm not sure why there isn't a teen MMR booster, tbh (cost, presumably).

The anti vaxxers on this thread - how do you explain smallpox and polio if you think vaccinations don’t work? I can’t understand your perspective at all.

You don't want to share? I suspect that, like me, that poster wanted you to do the legwork yourself, possibly increasing the likelihood you might beloeve it if you had to work for it!

Nevertheless, see above!

DD is at Sheffield Uni and had it about a month ago (also immunised).

I think the problem with Unis is that just like when they start school they meet a whole bunch of new people and live in closer proximity than they would do at work.

My DS didn't have the MMR vaccine as a toddler as the 'wonderful' Andrew Wakefield report ad just been published when he was due to have his. We looked into single vaccines on NHS but the goverment pulled the plug on them just as we were arranging them. For various reasons it wasn't practical at the time for us to get the private single vaccines.

DS did however have the MMR vaccine on the NHS at age 16 following a localish measles outbreak. He is now at Uni, so hopefully his late vaccination will cover him against any current outbreaks. Every cloud and all that....

I was told some years ago that the effectiveness of the mumps part of the MMR wore off after a while, about 15-20 years. Which does roughly coincide with the uni years. Which may be an additional factor with the anti vaxxers. Mine are vaxxed.

My DS is 19 and at uni. I made sure he had the booster before he left.

The CDC documented a 99% reduction in mumps cases after the vaccine went into widespread use the US:

www.cdc.gov/mumps/outbreaks.html

It's not as effective as the measles vaccine unfortunately.

Any GPs out there know if a booster is available?

PublicHealthEngland The WHO say that the low uptake of MMR vaccination is repsonsible. The WHO say the same. How much more evidence do you need.
Saying is very different to proof.

You don't want to share?

I did

Where did you get it Miss?

Polio and smallpox were already almost eradicated when the vaccines were introduced due to the new understanding of hygiene levels and hand washing

I had it about 12/13 years a go, my brother had it a year or two later. A decent percentage of my friends have also had it. All around the university years. All vaccinated.
So anecdotally only I’d be surprised if it was a new thing that it’s suddenly more common again. I can’t recall when MMR was for us though (I want to say we had it at 13 just after TB but I could be wrong?) so maybe Wakefield affected uptake in my cohort. I always assumed the mumps part of the vaccine was not as reliable.

We live in an area where MMR booster is given at 15 months rather than at 3/4 (ie a few months after the 12 month jabs). I think it’s because it’s a measles area but given mumps isn’t harmless for boys I have always intended to look into whether a later booster would be beneficial or not.

Oh blimey, I think dd has mumps/had it last week. Does this sound like mumps?

Weds last week she complained of pain swelling only on one side. Said her mouth/throat felt red raw but nothing to see. She felt poorly, had a temp the following day and one side of her neck was a bit swollen (I presumed lymph nodes). Took her to see the practice nurse who looked in her throat and said nothing to see, wasnt tonsillitis but confirmed that her "gland" was up on one side. She's felt like shit all weekend but is a bit better today but still has swelling on one side. No obvious chipmunk face?

Saying is very different to proof. Ha ha ha ha ha ha

That is such a shite answer. If you have to reply on semantics to keep your point alive then you really should just drop it off now!

Had you said that PHE / WHO rely heavily on correlation, I might have given you some credence...

I suspect that, like me, that poster wanted you to do the legwork yourself, possibly increasing the likelihood you might beloeve it if you had to work for it!

It doesn't exist. You don't know what legwork I've done. I suspect much more than you think.

Saying is very different to proof.

The same could be said for antivax arguments.

Polio and smallpox were already almost eradicated when the vaccines were introduced due to the new understanding of hygiene levels and hand washing

HOUSE!!!!!

Where did you get it Miss?

His pediatrician gave it to him. I'm in the US.

The pain was only ever one sided.

Most people who do not vaccinate are educated and middle class if that means anything because shit parents can't be educated or middle class by default?

The government publishes weekly data on notifiable diseases. I like to keep an eye on it to see what might be swimming around my local middle class unvaccinated gene pool/ swimming pool

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/801934/NOIDS-weekly-report-week19-2019.pdf

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