20 yo DS has mumps and so do 5 of his friends

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All have been vaccinated.

They were all at the same party 2 weeks ago .
He’s really poorly with it 😢

I was reading a Twitter thread this morning on the subject of vaccination and the images of smallpox sufferers were absolutely horrifying.

I’ll say it loudly for y’all in the back: “VACCINES DO NOT WORK AND CAUSE THE VERY DISEASES THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO PREVENT”

This is what is called ‘a lie’.

Thanks @MissConductUS I'll check in with the GP.

perhapsiwill, that's not the case. Smallpox cases had begun to fall in the 19th century (which is when compulsory vaccine was introduced in many countries IIRC) but 'almost eradicated' is absolutely pushing it. And it was absolutely the vaccine that did for polio. (The problem with polio was never the spread as such - I believe virtually everyone got it and about 90% were asymptomatic - but the devastating effect it had in a small minority of cases).

Had you said that PHE / WHO rely heavily on correlation, I might have given you some credence...

Come on now. Everyone knows the "correlation does not mean causation".

So no tracking of outbreaks then to conclusively prove the outbreak source?

Huh? I don't have any preconceived idea about how much legwork you may have done, just that you, like most people, would tend to believe information you had found out for yourself!

But the flippancy of response suggest that you may not have been looking hard enough!

I couldn't have my MMR as I was severely allergic to eggs. Grown out of that but now I'm immunocompromised and the consultant doesn't want me to have it. I have had the rubella vaccine separately but I've had no measles or mumps vaccines

I had it when I was about 20 (so 13ish years ago now) and it was bloody horrendous. I woke up like the elephant woman

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Nurse scared that people will think she didn't vaccinate her family m.facebook.com/CaliforniansAgainstSB277/posts/2270519739933629

Four member of her family got the mumps after being vaccinated and yes they were up to date.

Come on now. Everyone knows the "correlation does not mean causation". Fucking hell! That was my point! Had you said that I would have considered it worth debating with you.

I was hoping you'd come up with something more than "Show me..."

the low uptake of MMR vaccination is repsonsible.

That's very clear. The low uptake IS responsible. Not might be, or suggests, or is likely. It IS.

When an organisation like the WHO say something - they say it because the evidence is proof. Not sure why the use of the word 'say' means it isn't the case. Maybe you speak a different type of English to others.

Polio and smallpox were already almost eradicated when the vaccines were introduced due to the new understanding of hygiene levels and hand washing

Utter nonsense. From the WHO:

Six common misconceptions about immunization

In Part:

Are we expected to believe that better sanitation caused incidence of each disease to drop just at the time a vaccine for that disease was introduced? Since sanitation is not better now than it was in 1990, it is hard to attribute the virtual disappearance of Hib disease in children in recent years in countries with routine Hib vaccination (from an estimated 20,000 cases a year to 1,419 cases in 1993, and dropping in the United States of America) to anything other than the vaccine.

Finally, we can look at the experiences of several developed countries after they allowed their immunization levels to drop. Three countries —Great Britain, Sweden and Japan — cut back the use of pertussis (whooping cough) vaccine because of fear about the vaccine. The effect was dramatic and immediate. In Great Britain, a drop in pertussis vaccination in 1974 was followed by an epidemic of more than 100,000 cases of pertussis and 36 deaths by 1978. In Japan, around the same time, a drop in vaccination rates from 70% to 20%-40% led to a jump in pertussis from 393 cases and no deaths in 1974 to 13,000 cases and 41 deaths in 1979. In Sweden, the annual incidence rate of pertussis per 100,000 children of 0-6 years of age increased from 700 cases in 1981 to 3,200 in 1985.

It seems clear from these experiences that not only would diseases not be disappearing without vaccines, but if we were to stop vaccinating, they would come back. Of more immediate interest is the major epidemics of diphtheria that occurred in the former Soviet Union in the 1990s, where low primary immunization rates for children and the lack of booster vaccinations for adults resulted in an increase from 839 cases in 1989 to nearly 50,000 cases and 1,700 deaths in 1994. There were at least 20 imported cases in Europe and two cases in U.S. citizens who had worked in the former Soviet Union.

Jenny clearly isn't capable of finding her way to sites that have literally been spelled out to her.

The good thing about threads like this is that antivaxxers really do show themselves to be the ignorant and brainwashed hypocrites we know they are.

Where are those graphs from?

Even assuming their accuracy, I still think 'virtually eradicated' is rather overstating the case.

I'm off now. Never a useful debate on Mumsnet with this.

Ah! Jenny17 = Scattergun

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For the PP worried about missing school for MMR booster, my teenager had an MMR jab in the Easter holidays.
He was short a mumps jab and it was niggling me [single vaccines].
Surgery absolutely fine with us.
[Younger brother had 2x MMRs].

Those of us who believe vaccination is a good thing - references to CDC, WHO, NHS, medical journals

Jenny - references to Facebook

Enough said

Just for clarity, the booster isn't a separate mumps only vaccination. It's a third dose of the MMR combination vaccine.

www.consumerreports.org/mumps/should-you-get-a-mumps-booster/

Yes, my teenager had booster MMR...

The good thing about threads like this is that antivaxxers really do show themselves to be the ignorant and brainwashed hypocrites we know they are.

You are obviously charming and unable to back up points you've made with evidence, perhaps why you resort to throwing insults?

Anyways if can't have a debate with resorting to insults you really shouldn't have one at all.

My OH couldn't have the MMR when he was an infant due to various allergies, and he came out in Mumps when he was 21. He was soooo poorly. Luckily didn't affect his fertility. 3 or 4 of the other blokes he worked with also caught it at the same time and one was extremely ill, and hospitalised.

Polio and smallpox were already almost eradicated when the vaccines were introduced due to the new understanding of hygiene levels and hand washing

Oh dear. Quick question: why were hygiene and hand washing so effective against smallpox in much of Europe in the nineteenth century, but so ineffective against polio in the 1950s?

Alternatively, do you think you should read up about the history of the diseases you’re talking about?

Thanks Miss a helpful article.