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Are there any conspiracy theories that you just think could have an element of truth?

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AhhhHereItGoes · 17/05/2019 20:11

I love all things conspiracy theory - from a psychological/social point of view it's interesting to see what makes people fearful or pessimistic.

But I often do see some conspiracy theories a bit like Urban legends in that they could be an exaggerated truth.

Are there any conspiracy theories or rumours that you just think 'maybe...' or even ones you're completely sold on.

hopes nobody thinks the Queen is a metamorphic lizard alien

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bebeboeuf · 23/05/2019 10:10

I’m frustrated you are taking something written on a website in 2014 by someone on the internet so personally

bebeboeuf · 23/05/2019 10:12

It’s not even on topic. I copied and pasted it; it happened to use the word that offends you.
I can only apologise that it offends you as I didn’t mean to offend anyone.
You are taking this out of context and making out that I am saying things that I am not and moving totally off subject.
I would request you don’t accuse me of lying saying I’ve copied and pasted from an awful website which I hadn’t even looked at.

bebeboeuf · 23/05/2019 10:13

Exactly cyber - so what indeed Confused

Cybercontroller · 23/05/2019 10:14

Why is it relevant whether they were Jewish or not?

joyfullittlehippo · 23/05/2019 10:18

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longwayoff · 23/05/2019 10:35

Hippo is right boeuf, pack it in. It's one thing laughing at the deranged nutters who disseminate this tosh but spreading the rubbish to give it an air of authenticity is another.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 23/05/2019 10:35

We used to live somewhere where the previous owner had some mail delivered. One such piece of crap was a revisionist history magazine which was basically Fortean times for dimwits. It was in a clear plastic bag so you could see the cover.

The one entitled something like ‘six million lies’ was the straw that broke the camels back for me. It went straight back to sender with a note from me.

HappinessIsKey · 23/05/2019 12:21

I do not believe Peaches was killed. I do believe she took an overdose..

And the Jill Dando thing, about to reveal a high profile paedophile ring? She was very good friends with 'Mr Summer Holidays' why would she be friends with him? You only have to Google his name and you see all the guest books for paedophile parties, he signed into to using his undercover name, along with lots of policemen, Judges, other singers etc..surely she would of known about him?
I think she was killed for another reason.

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 23/05/2019 12:43

Reportedly, the tunnel (Pont D'Alma) where Diana died was built over an ancient sacred site dedicated to Diana, the Moon Goddess, where, historically, ritual sacrifices were carried out. The victim who was being sacrificed inside the underground temple had to die in order for it to be considered 'valid' and acceptable.

Absolutely no idea whatsoever whether that's true, fabricated or anywhere in the middle.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 23/05/2019 12:46

I find it hard to believe that dodgy ‘parties’ have guest books!

HappinessIsKey · 23/05/2019 13:10

Google it. They had signing in books. The majority used nicknames. But the owner kept a list of the nicknames and the real persons names next to them. These were found on searching the property.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 23/05/2019 13:12

Jesus. I can’t believe such people walk among us. Why keep books? Was it to collect subs or something?

Sagradafamiliar · 23/05/2019 13:16

It seems beyond stupid and careless to keep written record of such parties. Not saying it didn't happen, I've worked with enough paedos to know that they are bloody everywhere, but sly. Even the thick ones.

I don't understand why Buzz would say, 'we didn't go there' (to the moon). Really? All that cover-up just for him to sit there and tell a girl that no such thing actually happened?!

NunoGoncalves · 23/05/2019 13:27

I don't understand why Buzz would say, 'we didn't go there' (to the moon). Really? All that cover-up just for him to sit there and tell a girl that no such thing actually happened?!

Yeah, within the context it's clear he's talking about them not having flown anyone there for a long time after the first time, rather than never having gone.

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 23/05/2019 13:29

And the Jill Dando thing, about to reveal a high profile paedophile ring? She was very good friends with 'Mr Summer Holidays' why would she be friends with him? You only have to Google his name and you see all the guest books for paedophile parties, he signed into to using his undercover name, along with lots of policemen, Judges, other singers etc..surely she would of known about him?

Don't forget that she died in 1999 - and so had obviously first become friends/associates with him some time before then. The amount of content on the internet made it barely more than a glorified Ceefax back then and comparatively few people used it anyway - and it's so easy to forget now, in the day when the website has loaded before you've lifted your finger off the 'enter' button, but speeds made any serious research of whatever information was available virtually prohibitive.

Savile has been posthumously found/claimed to be guilty of (I'm assuming) far more than the man who cautioned about a demonic female has ever been accused of. He died towards the end of 2011, by which time the internet had grown to pretty much how we know it now (albeit maybe a little slower), and the masses were still unaware of his crimes.

Incidentally, both men mentioned above worked and appeared together in various events and projects. Also, JS wrote a book in 1978 called 'God'll Fix It' - I don't know where he got the idea for it from (other than the cash-in title, of course). I'm not aware of his ever having even publicly spoken about supposedly being a Christian before writing it, let alone demonstrated any interest in discussing theological questions in detail and from a point of assumed significant personal knowledge, experience and authority. Here's the blurb on the back cover - the second sentence is particularly.... interesting:

“Jimmy Savile is an enigma. His job forces him to clown, bamboozle, and pull the wool over our eyes. In this book he comes clean. He talks frankly about his relationship with God and his commitment as a Christian, showing what this demands of him in his day to day life, as a disc jockey, TV personality and, most dear to his heart, hospital visitor. His joy in being involved with other people, many of whom are seriously ill, shines through the book.”

In 1986, he also 'introduced' (i.e. wrote the preface for and had his name written prominently on the cover) a book called 'Benjamin Rabbit and the Stranger Danger'.

JS was also very good pals with the Royal family (and Thatcher) - maybe originally through the links with high-profile charity work(?) It seems he was even considered an adviser to them on certain subjects, including (IIRC), bizarrely, marriage!

Co-incidentally, 9 years after Jill's death, her fiance was appointed as official surgeon to the Queen.

bebeboeuf · 23/05/2019 13:32

Joyfull that is just rude. I’ve not sworn at you and I have not been antisemetic.
Just stop

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 23/05/2019 13:34

I don't understand why Buzz would say, 'we didn't go there' (to the moon). Really? All that cover-up just for him to sit there and tell a girl that no such thing actually happened?!

I personally remain to be convinced about the Moon landings, but to be fair to him, might he have been quoting/alluding to what others had said or trying to seem ironic?

After all, in the Bible, it clearly says "There is no God" if you take it out of context and omit the beginning of the sentence: "The fool hath said in his heart,".

bebeboeuf · 23/05/2019 13:37

The MH370 conspiracy has been touched on but has anyone heard of the MH17 flight that got shot down just a few months after?

HappinessIsKey · 23/05/2019 13:45

WeBuilt it's just so sickening to the core.
Supposedly the power of 'he who can not be named' is that he won't be charged because he can bring a heck of a lot of high profile people down with him.

I just don't understand?! If I worked as a police officer etc and knew all this information, I would rather lose my job by exposing all these beyond sick people, than sit back and quietly just ignore what I know.

Maybe it's all lies who knows?! But there seems to be a vast amount of information on the internet and from posters on here, who truly believe this is true.

IMO there is no smoke without fire. It's a very screwed up world we live in.

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 23/05/2019 13:52

I find it hard to believe that dodgy ‘parties’ have guest books!

Google it. They had signing in books. The majority used nicknames. But the owner kept a list of the nicknames and the real persons names next to them. These were found on searching the property.

Extremely useful for keeping evidential records, which may prove useful later should somebody fall out of favour or threaten to blow the whistle on the others.

Carole Kasir, the landlady of said establishment, ended up reportedly committing suicide. Maybe she enjoyed talking? She was found with an overdose of insulin in her system. Strange really, as the only individuals who would have easy personal access to injectable insulin would be diabetics - and diabetics would surely know the risks of taking too much insulin and also the fact that it would be a very slow, unpleasant way of dying - leading to potentially 'undignified' (shall we say) bodily circumstances in which for somebody to find you - when compared to countless other quick, efficient methods of suicide. Then again, you'd have thought that Stephen Milligan and others would have realised similar. How bizarre indeed.

There are claims made by some that nobody who doesn't have serious skeletons in their closets will be allowed to reach a position of great authority - for insurance purposes against their stepping out of line. I don't know of any veracity behind this.

Nor do I know if JFK was harbouring any personal 'embarrassing history or proclivities' up until the time he spoke out of his determination to crush the proposed bill giving immense power and control to a relatively small number of high-up bankers, before he sadly died at the hands of a crazed lone-wolf not too long afterwards.

bebeboeuf · 23/05/2019 13:52

There’s huge sums of money on the breif reports I have read that police forces and the BBC have had to pay out in compensation that maybe it’s enough of a warning for everyone else to keep quiet?

It seems like some have wanted to speak out but they either end up apologising and paying out, or if they don’t maybe that’s when the worst has happened.

Either way it’s a scary world

bebeboeuf · 23/05/2019 13:53

^ in response to happinessiskey

LaMarschallin · 23/05/2019 13:57

Co-incidentally, 9 years after Jill's death, her fiance was appointed as official surgeon to the Queen.

Quite right. Coincidentally.
There can surely be no implication on this thread anywhere that his payback for turning a blind eye to the truth about his fiancee's murder was being given the royal hoo-hahs to muck about with.
Good grief. I assume it was on merit and, yes, purely coincidence.

MrsGaryLightbody · 23/05/2019 14:05

*@HappinessIsKey *
just don't understand?! If I worked as a police officer etc and knew all this information, I would rather lose my job by exposing all these beyond sick people,
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If you read my original post, you'll see that although the info was locked away and known about in that particular large station it's difficult to whistle blow when you know you'd be out on your arse with no pension etc after years of service plus your reputation would be sullied as that is a given in those circumstances.
Plus who'd believe you when it was years before anything was in the press / public forum.

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 23/05/2019 14:05

WeBuilt it's just so sickening to the core.
Supposedly the power of 'he who can not be named' is that he won't be charged because he can bring a heck of a lot of high profile people down with him.

Indeed it is. I suppose that's the whole idea of 'rings' of people up to terrible things. It works as a great 'cold-war-style' deterrent. It's interesting that some of them get exposed after they die whereas others with serious allegations against them never even get properly investigated.

Immediately coming to mind are a certain ex-PM who shared a name with a famous band leader and a highly-regarded DJ about whom Scots may ask "D'ye ken?" who continually mentioned the fact that his favourite song of all time (which was first released when he himself was nearly 40) was one about teenagers having 'intimate relations' and who reportedly got a 15yo girl pregnant.

I just don't understand?! If I worked as a police officer etc and knew all this information, I would rather lose my job by exposing all these beyond sick people, than sit back and quietly just ignore what I know.

So would I; so would most people, in fact - but instead of just 'job', think 'life' and 'reputation' and 'confidence that your family wouldn't continue to suffer horrendously after your death'.

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