I’m yet to meet a leaver

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Or have I but they’re just too ashamed to admit it?

I'd agree with Eye - Brexit is a 'cult' and specifically so for Leavers. It's contrary to all empirical facts and analytical skills. Borders, sovereignty, racism. Not much more than dog-whistling which has proved to be more popular than we first thought.

I assume every person of my parents generation who didn't get higher/further education is a leaver, and every person my generation or younger with a university education is a remainer.
I also assume people that are in blue collar jobs are more likely to be leavers.
I might be wrong but that's what I assume.

My Mum left school at 15. My FIL did too. One was a nurse, the other was a manual labourer most of his life. Both voted Remain. It was my Mum's last vote before she died. She'd spent a lifetime of not voting.

Another person here who's dp is a leaver. He can argue it quite well, thinks it's undemocratic and objects to them making laws, loss of sovereignty etc. He also thinks they are pushing for more control and there's going to be an eu army and war in Europe. I don't agree but we have to agree to disagree, we almost had a row the other day because I dared to say there was 'nothing good' about Brexit! It's a shame as we don't really argue about anything else. I live in a strong leave town with a big polish community. So there are a few friends and family (that I know of) who voted leave. I don't think any of the leavers I know have changed their minds, I've seen a few leavers admit to it online though.

apparentlyso. It's a bad idea to make assumptions like that. Plenty of older people didn't go to university because it wasn't the norm for their generation - they either couldn't afford it, or it wasn't essential for their future careers. My mum became a nurse in 1971 having just left school. To do that same training today she'd have to go to university. It doesn't mean they are less intelligent than a younger person who has a degree or that their votes aren't carefully considered.
I voted to leave. I am 45 and university educated. By your reckoning I should be a remain voter. My husband (same age, also university educated) voted to remain.

@apparently so hate to inform you but you are wrong there....

Late 20's, privately educated, went to a top 10 university, currently work in FS.

Voted to LEAVE.

I don’t think many people gave the EU much thought until the referendum

Remain ran a poor campaign (agreed by most senior Remain campaigners) by refusing to engage in the debate about immigration and not acknowledging that many many people have been suffering from loss of jobs, little to no wage increases, huge areas in this country that have had little to no investment

What were these people were told the EU has invested in your area (a nice gallery/park) and that you will suffer if we leave the EU - totally missing the point that they were suffering and had been for years a few more years of harship that might perhaps make things better in the long run was worth it especially as successive governments had left behind

Now we know this is much to do with our own governments but when desperate people had the chance to make a real change they took that

And I don’t blame them - the writing was on the wall our MP’s should have know that ffs Farage could see it so why couldn’t the majority of our elected MP’s

@apparentlyso

I voted leave, I am educated to MBA level, senior manager in HE. HE sector is mainly Remain but not exclusively.

I know lots of well educated, middle class Leavers. Including many non-white people. Despite what the headlines would have you believe it not about race/ethnicity or level of education.

My SIL and her sister are Leavers. In their 20’s and degree educated. It is a myth that all younger people voted Remain.

Borders, sovereignty, racism. Not much more than dog-whistling which has proved to be more popular than we first thought

Who’s we?

I never said I thought leaver were thick, just more likely to be less educated.
I also know that my assumptions were very generalised and of course there are probably thousands of not millions of voters who don't fit my assumptions.
I was just giving you my view, I stand by it, but get that everyone doesn't think the same as me.
I've tried to stay away from the brexit shitstorm by avoiding the media since the vote & President Trump were voted in as I they are 2 events that horrify me, and make me feel so disengaged from the 'popular vote'. I am surrounded by people who feel the same as me, and have never meet someone who has mentioned they are a leaver, so I can see how it's easy to not know 'the other side'.

I am the queen of typos/spelling mistakes, despite from having more than my fair share of education sorry!

I’ve never knowingly met anyone who voted leave...

But then I’m in Scotland and where I live and work you’re looking at 75% voting to remain, so... I’m not as likely to.

Apparently I assume every person of my parents generation who didn't get higher/further education is a leaver, and every person my generation or younger with a university education is a remainer.
I also assume people that are in blue collar jobs are more likely to be leavers.

You know what they say about assumption don't you? Dh born 61. Voted Leave. Career in the RN, including a three year secondment to the EU Military Staff. Has a BEng, an MA and is a CEng.

I was born in 66. I have a BA and a PGCE. Voted Leave

The following was said in a speech to Nottingham European Election Rally, June 12th 1989 by a prescient lady who could see what was coming:

"Let us be clear we didn't join Europe to be swallowed up in some bureaucratic conglomerate, where it's Euro-this and Euro-that and forget about being British or French or Italian or Spanish.

We're British and we are proud of it. Proud of our traditions, proud of our national character, proud of our Westminster Parliament. We want to preserve them. And we shall.

But there are those who see it very differently. They dream of a European super-state run from Brussels by people who claim to know what's best for us. And they have their supporters in Britain who think it's for politicians to tell people how to run their lives, instead of leaving them the freedom to do it themselves.

Chairman, that's not the Conservative way. We believe that willing and active co-operation between independent sovereign states is the best way."

Husband and I both leavers with our family members all leavers.

Not going to turn into a massive debate but we all did a lot of research and debates before we voted and we all still stand by our vote today. I respect remainers opinions as I think they should respect ours.

Also before the educational aspect gets into it! We are all university educated with managerial positions over a lot of industries, with headteachers, accountants, Directors and so on.... Not that education level or position matters at all in the Vote. Still all Leavers.

apparently you sound delightful. What a bloody snob.

I have a first class degree in a relevant subject. The Leavers I know are all highly educated professionals. (Mainly because that’s how I know them - from uni and work).

I think one of the reasons we are so fragmented as a country is because of idiots like you

Hard to respect No Dealers, though.

I was just giving you my view, I stand by it, but get that everyone doesn't think the same as me.

But you've just said that your view is based on assumptions that are generalised and probably untrue so I'm not sure why you'd stick with it...!?

DP and DP's family I believe are all leavers 🤔. Despite being a very multicultural family. No one is racist and one even believes in open borders (which I personally think is ridiculously naive) but overall they tend to think the EU is a tyranny.

Yet to meet a leaver? That is utterly ludicrous, you must never leave the house.

Most of my friends are leavers, and also my DH and my in laws. I'm def in the minority.

South London.

All leavers. Well done.

The country is on its knees. Politics is a mess. Companies are fighting to leave. The BMI has issued warnings. The army is on stand by. Civil servants get Ministers to initial every document so they can't be blamed for the impeding troubles. Trouble is starting in NI. Out Irish neighbours are going to suffer with us despite all the trouble we have caused them in the past we need to make them suffer more. We can't even decide what kind of Brexit to have. The world watches open mouthed with horror. Fifty years before the economy recovers - according to your own people.

But you all did your research and knew what would happen. You all voted for this entirely predictable situation.

Good grief.

This is all becoming very sinister.
Remainers are talking about leavers as if they’re some sort of sub culture that needs to be scared and ashamed.
Imagine doing that to any other group of people.
Just goes to show how full of shit ( & dangerous ) some ‘liberals’ are.

@surferjet ,no dealers are a sub culture that I cannot respect. Anyone else? Meh.

I know three. Two are openly racist and stupid.

One has well thought out arguments and reasoning and has obviously spent a lot of time and research making up their mind.