I’m yet to meet a leaver

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Or have I but they’re just too ashamed to admit it?

I only know them at work. We work in a industry heavily reliant on the EU in order to transact business simply and effectively. Essentially it will be their jobs that go to the EU so I'm always slightly baffled by their choices.
In my personal life I don't know anyone who voted to leave but I guess you tend to associate with those with similar beliefs and values as you which probably explains why.

It hasn’t happened ;most people are chugging along as ever

Are you watching the news?

Have you not noticed car manufacturers leaving the country?

Project reality is up and running.

Working in haulage, I know lots of leavers. Some are incoherent racists, some don't like the European monolith, some don't like regulations of any kind. Just about all of them know that food will be short, that people will be poor, that vital drugs will run out. They don't care. Why should they? They've had the shitty end of the stick all their lives, it's time to spread the misery. I voted Remain, but apart from the overt racism, I might have voted Leave too.

I know someone who voted leave. They told me they'd voted to join the EEC back in the day and their leave vote was a protest against ever tighter political union.
I voted leave as a protest against TTIP. You know, the trade agreement that could have ended up destroying the NHS.
Neither of us seriously thought leave would actually win. I felt very conflicted at the time, still do. Lots of people do.

sheworebluvelvet the NHS have 100000 vacancies, although you may think that employment rising is great, it’s not as simplistic as you think. At present there are 1.3 million unemployed but the unemployed don’t automatically fill the job roles that are left vacant.

Add to this employment is a zero hours contract there are 1.8 million zero hours contracts & if you’re not required to work next week you are not unemployed but obviously if you don’t work then you’re not paid by your employer... then the next week and the next week- yet your contract stipulates you must be available for work, so you what should you do

I don’t know any for sure because I don’t talk about it in real life

I don’t want to definitely know who. I did have someone I knew ask me the day after the vote ‘so you’ll be leaving the U.K. then?’

Ffs I am not even European, there was just this expectation that immigrants would have to go

I voted remain because on balance I felt it would be better than leave but there are aspects of the EU I didn’t feel comfortable with and did consider whether they would be enough for me to leave. In the end, they weren’t but I could see how they could have been.

I must admit I am perplexed with the people who voted because “things couldn’t get any worse”. Oh yes. They can. And it will be the people at the bottom already who’ll suffer first and worst.

Disgrace haulage is one of the industries likely to be most-affected if there is no deal. Aren't your colleagues worries about the personal impact? The government advice to hauliers seems very vague but talks about loss of permits and cabotage rights. Plus the impact that long delays would have on lorry drivers.

Windows Yes I watch the news. Hence the figure about the highest employment figures since the 70’s.
And again I remember the Remainers endlessly telling everyone how businesses and banks would have all closed by now.
Not great about the car industry but the car manufacturers aren’t British and the future of the car is already in flux. The message over diesel wasn’t the fault of Brexit.
Yes it could go tits up but I don’t believe there aren’t opportunities.

ivy I know. Statistics can be used any which way.. Doesn’t make the true. Unless apparently you are Remain. I mention them only as an example of news that gets closed over in favour of endless hyperbolic speculation.
We’re leaving. We haven’t got a no deal or an agreed deal. So how can you predict the future until we know what we have?

& all this crap about brexit causing Honda to close in Swindon.
Nothing to do with the fact that diesel cars are being banned from entering London in the not too distant future - what’s the point in making cars no one will buy? But some remainers are just too in the grip of some sort of frenzy to think clearly.

Employment figures are misleading owing to underemployment, zero hours contracts etc. As we know, being in work doesn't prevent you from being in poverty.

Only 12% of cars at the Honda plant were diesel so that's not why they closed the factory. The Japanese just didn't want to offend their British customers by mentioning the B-word.

Research has put the cost of Brexit at between £57 billion and £64 billion so far. That's before factoring in the car factory closures and before Brexit has even happened!

Sorry, I lie. It's actually only 6% diesel!

www.indy100.com/article/brexiteer-honda-factory-closure-diesel-brexit-eu-8786006

We had different votes in our family. No one has fallen out with each other.
I was at the count on the night, the area I was counting for was quite interesting, a lot of small villages voted leave, bigger towns had a lot of remainers. I've been vote counting for years, the turn out for the vote where I was was phenomenal, it was a subject deeply felt by the voters. Our voting area voted leave by a big margin.

I'm a remainer and probably because of where I live I used to feel out numbered when it was the thing to talk about

I work with some leavers. This puzzles me, as we work in a very multinational office, speaking daily with people across Europe and the rest of the world. It's possible this is why some of them voted leave, but then why work for this company? What puzzles me more is that one of them has a European wife.

I haven't discussed it with them, because I still have to work with them, and I would rather assume they have sound reasoning behind their decision than have it confirmed they have few critical thinking abilities.

Swindon is also the first plant Honda has ever closed in its 70+ year history. The Japanese manufacturers only chose to be based in the UK to access the Single Market. Once that rationale is gone, why should any of them stay? They may not close instantly, but no new investment will be forthcoming.

Of course, there’s lots of British companies happy to manufacture here - Dyson and the like. Or are they?

Yes, I am frustrated but it is hard to fathom the lack of understanding of basic economics. There’s lots of waffle about taking control of our own laws but very little specifics about which laws they want changed. And why this shit-show is all worth it.

Brexit is a cult and no matter what evidence is presented to Beleavers, they will still say all is worth it.

I'm a Leaver, I have many friends who are staunch Remainers. We just agree not to talk about it.

Not a complete answer. I bet that turnout was due to the way the Leave campaign specifically targeted the non-voters, found out what their interests were through Facebook and then sent individually targeted ads saying that Brexit would solve their specific concern. It was clever but shameful manipulation. There was no evidence that the EU was one of voters’ top concerns before the referendum campaign.

Eyewhisker

"shameful manipulation" of non voters.

What is shameful is that politicians don't give a toss about those that don't vote and have never tried to engage them in the system.

Jog on you GF

You came on here with attitude . Wtf should anyone respond to you ?!

I don't generally talk about my EU opinions except to some of my nearest and dearest because it's such a divisive subject.

I don't want to fall out with acquaintances or colleagues or to feel judged and I don't feel that I have to explain or justify how I voted.

Eyewhisker Why assume non voters even have FB? Not everyone does, it is possible to live your life without it. I voted Leave, and made the decision without recourse to FB, as I don't have, nor ever will have, an account.

The EU was one of my concerns way before the referendum, from about 1990, when Mrs T was ousted, followed by Maastricht and Black Wednesday.

Sadly, I rarely meet another Remainer around where I live. I know two.
We keep our heads down. At my work most are Remainers but I don't live where I work.

scaryteacher

Why assume non voters even have FB?

Didn't you know, Its one of those "facts" that "experts" keep telling us about.

Similar to their truth, his truth, her truth but not the truth.