I’m yet to meet a leaver

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Or have I but they’re just too ashamed to admit it?

I know lots of leavers. They don't want to discuss Brexit. They never have. They voted for this shitshow and now they're bored of it.

No respect for them at all.

No respect for them at all

Trust me, the feeling is mutual.

Not that we’re leaving anyway - it will be postponed again & again until we forget it ever happened.
If we leave on March 29th I’ll eat my hat.

Dh said the same surferjet that he doesn't think we'll ever leave.

@surferjet , if people would grow up and accept the backstop we would be definitely leaving on March 29.
I still think TM does not have the courage/brass neck to delay it.
Whatever is going to happen will happen on March 29.
If her "my Deal or No Deal" bluff fails, we will no Deal.

Not that we’re leaving anyway - it will be postponed again & again until we forget it ever happened.
But the damage to the UK's world stature has already been done

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Nope, we’ll never leave.

As an EU national who has been living in the UK since I was five, I would be delighted if Brexit never happened but can’t see how that could happen?
The UK has lost so much already; it’s going to be a huge way back. Their credibility as a world player has been destroyed.

I feel devastated by the whole affair. Just had a heated conversation with a good friend who did vote remain (her DH voted leave) but she talks like a leaver and honestly the way she goes on about No Deal - apparently we will just sit down on March 30th and everyone will be as keen as mustard to merrily write a load of new deals and it will all be super! Does my head in totally.

I know two leavers, no 3, who voted on farming grounds - god knows why.

Another voted as a protest and is highly embarrassed...

Another one is massively into sovereignty and going back to how it was before.

Thank God most friends are remainers as are all my family.

I will say though that this thread has been really interesting as has had some thought provoking views from leavers, probably the most ever in 2.5 years of reading and trying to understand.

I’ve read all the Brexit threads - it has such a huge impact onto my family. DT’s are in their second year of UK Uni but thankfully neither plan on careers in the UK. DD is a language student - fluent in six languages and looking to the EU for her career. DS is studying engineering but isn’t planning on applying for any UK roles - his view and many of his friends on his course is that the UK is dead and the US, Australia and Singapore are the places to go for his career. As he doesn’t have a UK passport, I agree with him.

I wasn’t entitled to vote (an one of those Europeans the leavers want to get rid of) but still can’t find any one with detailed reasons of why it’s good for the UK to leave and what will happen post 29 March?

Parker I don't want you to go . I find it heartbreaking that people might feel like that, I want so much to embrace co-operation and collaboration not separation and isolation. I can't stand it I really can't.

@surferjet yes because Remainers voted for this mess, didn't they?

It's all the Leavers' mess. Own it.

We all knew it would be a failure. And lo, it is.

It's actually quite enjoyable seeing the pig's ear made by Leavers. Even Louise Mensch is starting to backtrack.

It's very unfortunate that the U.K. economy will have to suffer this way though.

You lost.

Get over it.

You won, go and enjoy it.

Yes. Enjoy your stunning victory.

No plan.

No strategy.

No cohesion.

Bunch of clowns.

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Can’t stand Corbyn. Could - almost, at a push 😁 - kiss him today though (although he’s no doubt been dragged to this position kicking and screaming, at threat of being ousted).
It may just be there’s about to be an outbreak of common sense in Parliament.
If the MPs who resigned their parties last week never achieve anything else, their action clearly promoted this move and may well have given us real hope of ending this lunacy and getting all of our futures back.
A fresh referendum, PM’s deal or remain, is the only solution to this stalemate. Anyone with real confidence in their position has nothing to fear from that.

I did laugh at Ch4 news describing JC statement as a 'hostage statement' 🤣

Did anyone see Carol Malone on Jeremy Vine last week? They were discussing factories shutting down and job losses. She's a leaver and couldn't admit Brexit had anything to do with it. She was saying 'we voted to leave. We didn't vote for job losses!' But that's what you did vote for . Couldn't own it. Even the other panellist was saying to her to take responsibility because that's the attitude she normally takes, with drug addicts and people on benefits for example. Couldn't take her own advice and 'take responsibility' for Brexit. Just moaned on about TM.

CM was mortifying in her lack of knowledge of what a No Deal Brexit entails and WTO rules. I was for her.

Don't be embarassed for CM's pigheaded ignorance. She isn't, she's known for it. You're going to be encountering a lot more of it from others for a long time ahead. "None so blind as those who won't see" as my mother used to say.

I've never been keen on CM but her take on Brexit takes it to a whole new level!

Cameron tried to get reforms of the EU from within before the referendum but they refused him. They are so wasteful with expenses that entails Brussels moves to Strasbourg for four days a month and all for political reasons. Had the EU acknowledged some of its internal faults and stated it would try to reform I would have voted to Remain but they are entrenched, just like May, they won't listen. I really don't think the EU will survive more than a decade, with France and Spain in recession and Germany tottering on the brink, all of the issues with Italy and their own economist have said they will have a back hole financially if the UK leave. They won't cut their spending on wasteful things and if they put up the net income contributions the remaining countries have to pay many other countries are just waiting to see if the UK makes it trading with other countries outside of outside of EU. Rutte had admitted he won't hold referendum because he knows his country would vote to leave the EU, Macron has said similar and every weekend yellow coats riot and burn Paris, the Eu regulations are crippling Italy. Added to all of this the EU want to have an European army, so that will be more money spending.

I don't actually know anyone who has changed their mind IRL, Remain voters say they would vote Remain again and Leave votes say likewise. On Gransnet about a month ago there was a thread that asked would anyone change there mind if there was a second referendum. I think about 150 responded and I went through thread carefully to see how many changers there were. There were only 6. 5 who had originally voted to Remain said they would now vote leave and 1 original leave voter would now vote remain. Very few mind changers. Questions I have are 1. what happens if we have a second referendum and results are the same as last time with Leave winning by small margin? 2. What if Remain win by a small margin, smaller than Leave won by last time? If we have already voted on Remain or Leave should we really be voting on same thing again if we want to preserve democracy? Should we now vote on May's deal or no deal? If we vote Remain or Leave again would we still have the no one knows what Leave will mean argument?

Added to all of this the EU want to have an European army, so that will be more money spending

We are already part of joint international armed forces through NATO and the UN. During WW2 our armed forces were under American leadership.

Why object so strenuously to something we already do with significantly less reliable allies?