I’m yet to meet a leaver

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Or have I but they’re just too ashamed to admit it?

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I know lots of leavers many are professionals

Know your audience. I know who I can discuss (my views!) on politics, religion, hunting, environment, etc. with and who will be receptive to my views and share theirs - without resorting to accusations of ground meat-based products, fear of the colour spectrum, fascism, et al.

Keeping your ears open and your trap shut is how you learn which way people are leaning - and that is why I made a killing at the bookies with Brexit + Trump.

We may well be hit in the pocket by Brexit but he thinks this is worthwhile in the longer term interests of the country.

This is what the referendum did - handed an extremely important decision over to the likes of you and me.

You and me deciding what is in the best interests of the country . I for one am not sick of experts, and cannot afford to be worse off. We are apparently already well behind pre referendum forecasts.

In any case, the overriding reason to stay IMO is to do with peace and getting on with our neighbours. I guess people have short memories.

Half my family voted Leave, the daft twats.
Including my dad, who was 82 at the time and my mum who was 77.

The most galling was my best friend, who just did jazz hands and said ‘Let’s try something new!’

Something new? What? Fucking rickets?

I know two. We are in a remain stronghold and everyone we know seems to be like us. Appears we were in a bubble

Lollyholly- they were the magority in an advisory referendum. Advisory. That doesn’t mean that every leave voter wanted to leave at any cost to the country. Many voted on the information they had to hand, much of which we know now was false.

Because the funding of the referendum wasn’t legal, had it been a mandatory referendum it would have been voided. So being part of a very slim magority in that context is hardly a reason to have confidence in the outcome.

I live in the most remain place in the country outside London, work in the NHS, am pro-EU and I still know plenty of leave voters, many for perfectly comprehensible reasons. One is a corbynite lexiter who sees the EU as a corporate fortress Europe behemoth. One other does say she regrets it but who knows. I also know a remainer who regrets her vote. I just bite my lip. Though I nearly bit straight through it when my uncle in law was banging on about how brilliant the vote was.

Above all, work to combat division and hatred. that means listening.

Hello, yes, that did sound pompous now I read it again!

No, I just meant that something like 90% of academics supposedly voted for remain, so I really am quite unlikely to meet one through work and haven't.

Nothing to do with funding as someone said above, not in my case anyway, the kind of research I do is too UK focussed for EU funding. Plus I teach nurses so our funding isn't in any way connected to the EU.

I know lots of young people who voted leave. I also know older people who voted remain. I don't know any leavers who would not vote the same way. The same with Remainers. No one has changed their minds. I work in a massive office and it's discussed without leavers being called racist or thick. I don't think you know many people OP.

I’ve got friends who have voted to leave, they also vote Tory in the general election. I also have friends who didn’t vote in the election or the referendum.

These friends are not racist, and although I fail to have ever got an answer as to why they think it’s better to leave than stay. Originally it was due to cost of belonging- but now that the cost has become more to leave & we haven’t left yet... they haven’t got an explication as to why as a nation we’ll be better of.

The fact Nissan, JLR, Ford are moving away from the UK is apparently coincidence and Honda now also leaving, nothing to do with import and export chains & costs. But already other friends are losing their jobs due to working in supply chains for car manufacturing

I'm a leaver, and don't really get drawn in to arguments about it because you make a few comments, get descended upon by dozens of remainers, whom tend not to be after a civil exchange of thoughts (the first, question asker, like yourself, may be) but rather "You're fking up my rights to do this this and this, I hope you lose your fking job" etc.

I think the "because they're racist" or "thick" argument, while in a group of 17.4 million people there will be plenty of examples, is hugely overblown - deliberately I would add.

Alot of remainers shout "well, you don't know what type of brexit you voted for."
Maybe true, but it was stated enough times we wouldn't be able to remain members of the SM and CU, and I think most leavers realised that if we couldn't make a deal with the EU, then a No Deal Brexit would be what happens.
You could equally argue, you don't know what type of EU you voted to remain in.
We had been told time after time that there wouldn't be an EU army (I'm not even saying this wouldn't be a good thing, it's just an example) yet now there's a huge push to create one. BUT we have a veto... Only they're pushing to remove nations vetos and move away from needing unanimously acceptance to a majority. - I'm not suggesting any of this is bad, but it goes against what hS been said, and what happens in a further 10 years will do so to.

Then theres the "But you fell for the bus" - It was a headline, most people realised it was to grab attention and wasn't a promise, even the wording "Let's", wasn't "We will" and anyway, God, they're politicians, who believes everything they say?!

But now, I have to go to work so another reason why I don't tend to bother, I'll appear like I'm running away from the few people who actually respond with an interesting respecting debate. Apologies

I'm astonished that people think they haven't met any leavers. Even if you live in a remain area, you will know a fair few leavers, although if (for example) you state that all leavers are racists, they are unlikely to tell you how they voted.

I have spent most of the period since 2016 living in a strongly remain area and know more remainers than leavers, but still know quite a few leavers from a variety of backgrounds and walks of life. They voted leave for a number of different reasons, but only a couple did so for reasons of stupidity/racism.

The fact Nissan, JLR, Ford are moving away from the UK is apparently coincidence and Honda now also leaving, nothing to do with import and export chains & costs. But already other friends are losing their jobs due to working in supply chains for car manufacturing

It’s actually a tragedy unfolding before our eyes. And the people responsible have run away or moved their money offshore - sometimes both.

My Dad, Step Mum and Grandparents voted leave. Me and my siblings voted remain.

We’ve had some seriously heated discussions.

Where I live is a Leave area. The racism, which was already bad, has ramped up so much since.

Cheerio and other leavers. Did you knowingly vote to be massively worse off and to decimate this country’s manufacturing and agriculture sectors? Was this absolutely clear to you pre-Ref that there would be less money in the country and so less for the NHS and that well-paid skilled jobs would go and you thought yes, I’d like that due to ‘soverignity’? or whatever? Did you really think that tearing up every single trade agreement the UK has with any other country would have no consequences? or that imposing a hard border on the island of Ireland could risk reigniting a UK civil war?

I still can’t get my head around how anyone thinks this is worth it.

Bless you Eyewhisker. Try and think long term and not get hysterical.

You have no clue what will happen. I remember remainers forecasting all sorts of doom the moment we voted leave. It hasn’t happened ;most people are chugging along as ever.
Employment has been rising and is now the highest since 1975. Notice how that doesn’t get rammed down everyone’s throat.

How successful Leave is will depend on 1000’s of decisions of 100’s of people. You can’t know the future. You really can’t.

Eyewhisker is not hysterical (misogynistic patronising word) - these things have already happened. They don’t get publicised much either.

I know loads of leavers. All fairly rich & intelligent
I know a few remainers too, they’re lovely.
It’s just on social media you meet the fanatics.

My mother and step father are leavers. They refuse to talk about it now.

I remember remainers forecasting all sorts of doom the moment we voted leave. It hasn’t happened ;most people are chugging along as ever.

Well, besides the fact the pound went through the floor and millions was wiped off the stock exchange immediately after the vote, you are aware it hasn’t actually happened yet?

I'm a leaver and am not racist, judgemental or disrespectful of people's opinions!

What tone calledyou? You mentioned “fear of accusations” without further expansion and I asked you what those were? All I know is if I was proud of my reasons for voting I’d not mind telling anyone how I voted. The only reason I wouldn’t would be if I was embarrassed and ashamed.

The lack of any kind of decent response of debate beyond “With a tone like that I’m not telling you anything!” (For example in response to a civil question about what the good reasons to leave are that we keep being told exist but no one ever expands on) or “you lost, get over it!” Are not hugely helpful in helping people understand