I’m yet to meet a leaver

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Or have I but they’re just too ashamed to admit it?

Remember Gordon Brown's gaffe of 'bigoted woman' about Gillian Duffy?

I'm a leaver. I don't admit it generally as I can't be bothered to have ridiculous conversations with people that don't understand the issues any better than I do. I don't need to, the vote went my way (just).

I didn't vote leave for anything to do with immigration. I fundamentally believe that the EU is broken and needs significant reform. I do t want to be part of the current EU but I think our politicians put the wrong question to referendum and I think lobbying for reform of the beast would have been much better. I'm not stuck in the 50's thinking that British sovereignty is the ultimate aim.

For what it's worth I'm pretty well educated. I'm a partner in a city law firm specialising In corporate finance. I know lots of extremely wealthy entrepreneurs that also voted leave. People aren't necessarily vocal though. The vote was so close that the whole thing is a tyranny of the majority. It's not something that should have been put to a public vote in the first place. Short term the financial impact will be hard though. I don't dispute that.

No deal is train wreck though.

Glad you see that @imaleaver . This is where we agree.

@imaleaver
What were your thoughts on the border in Ireland?

I think a no deal is inevitable now - both sides won’t or can’t budge and the EU have said that an extension to Article 50 would only be granted for a substantial reason and not just because there isn’t a majority vote for the WA.

Imaleaver, sounds reasonable. Don't fully agree but wouldn't argue with you.

I know a few but they are more acquaintances (or family!)
2 are sisters who were friends with dh growing up in a financially deprived white area. Their fb feed is full of pictures of British soldiers with comments like this is what Britain should be or some such.
1 a colleague who believed the bus nhs lies but would prob vote the same again as is generally stubborn and can’t admit to being wrong.
1 sister and her family whose adult son is massively into political theory and has been argued into it basically.

I voted remain. I’m trying to be positive though. Could this mean we rely less on imports and multinationals and do things more locally?? Thus better for the environment and community??
Wishful thinking!

Karwoman, ideally yes we'd have fewer imports, do more locally etc. I'm sitting opposite a map of the world. Great Britain is some insignificant islands off the coast of Europe. Its also densely populated. I believe that any idea of near self-sufficiency is very unlikely. It hasn't been possible for many years, if ever.

Most of my friends and family are leavers and still stand by their decision.

@doghorsechicken - why?

@longwayoff - as a leave voter, how do you think the GFA will be protected in light of a probable hard Brexit?

I know three and they all regret it. One thought the EU was undemocratic, and poor with their accounts & auditing, and the other two thought it would control immigration and help the NHS. They didn’t anticipate the total shit shower it is.

Because it isn’t the end of the world. I think we should be far more concerned by global warming than all the scaremongering around Brexit. The uk isn’t going to disappear down a black hole.

@doghorsechicken - so the absence of trade agreements, a breakdown of our supply chains and the disaster of breaching the GFA don’t worry you? How do you think these should be resolved?

Parker I am not a leave voter I apologise if you have formed that impression, that post was a reply to imaleaver. As for GFA I have no idea how any hard brexiters would seek to protect it, I believe its of little concern to many leavers but it is of vital importance as we shall all find out if they try to slide out of it.

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If the EU is undemocratic and unaccountable,
what are Leavers thoughts on the WTO ?
and the House of Lords?
and the UK civil service?

If the EU is a bad thing, are you happy that a hard Brexit will leave the UK in the control of disaster capitalists?

I thought it already was.

You ain't seen nothing yet@BerensteinBear

@imaleaver, in what way is theEU broken? What areas would you want to reform?

I think we are going to have a no deal exit from Brexit. TM's crackers game of brinkmanship is not going to stop.

I know about 10 Leavers. All adamant they knew what they voted for. Happy about no deal scenario. Wouldn't have a clue about how WTO rules operate.

A friend of mine admitted the other day that she had voted leave. She was really apologetic about it. I said it was her right to vote how she wanted and what upset remainers was the appalling lies being peddled by side of bus slogans etc that encouraged people to vote leave for the wrong reasons. My friend is old-school Labour and voted leave for well-considered reasons. I don't agree with her, but I know she didn't vote because she'd tricked into believing the NHS would get millions more money each week if she did.

What well considered reasons are those?

We tend to mix with like-minded individuals. So, if you are a remainer, your friends are likely to be too, and vice versa. You aren't generally going to get into such conversations with people you know more casually.

You probably meet loads, but just don't talk about it.

Tbh, I'm bloody sick of the whole thing and just want it to go away. I voted remain, but at this stage I just want some certainty.

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I know two who voted leave.

Both say it was a protest vote against the government, and they never expected leave to win”

Exactly this. Did you see Johnson’s face immediately after the result, he was horrified, never thought they’d win.