I’m yet to meet a leaver

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Or have I but they’re just too ashamed to admit it?

I know more leavers than I do remainers, we are in South Wales. So this makes sense seen as Wales voted Leave as a whole.

Most people don't speak about what they vote in a secret ballot I find. I don't, not Brexit not GE or even local council elections, it's my electoral right to keep it a secret. Best part about this tactic is you can't be blamed/praised for anything because only you know how you voted, so if you keep quiet you can just side step any agro 😂

Me and DH don't even tell eachother how we vote on anything, it avoids arguments. Come to think about it I don't know how any of my family voted really except DB as he is quite vocal about supporting the EU so I'd guess he voted remain, but then he could be a leaver who changed his mind so who knows 🤷

IWannaSeeHowItEnds - totally agree

There is NO democracy in the EU. This should scare us all.

This simply isn’t true.

Did you check my link?

I live in Sheffield, yesterday the whole city turned out to cheer on one man who has devoted his whole life to the memory of ten American airmen who sacrificed their lives to save the lives of a gang of children playing in a park. Nobody gave a shit who voted leave or remain, for a whole day all arguments were put aside & people got on with each other, the internet has gone viral for the Fly past & the celebrations, now a campaign has started to get this man honoured by the Queen. One day Brexit will be yesterday's news, we will still all have to live alongside each other & build communities, it is every citizen's right to vote for what they believe is right, nobody should have the right to question why anyone voted the way they did.

@BoneyBackJefferson I’d call that a narrow win. For something that was poorly worded and should have been seen as advisory, 52% of people wanting to leave when some people have now admitted that they thought that the NHS would be better off because of more funding, less patients etc. Others have also admitted that they didn’t think we’d actually leave. Even Nigel Farage once said, "If we were to lose narrowly, there'd be a large section, particularly in the Conservative Party, who'd feel the prime minister is not playing fair, that the Remain side is using way more money than the Leave side and there would be a resentment that would build up if that was to be the result." So a narrow win would be unfair if Remain won? But not the other way around?

What also of the view of the people who couldn’t vote at the time? And before anyone says that that is the case of general elections. No, it really isn’t as we have an election every 5 years so they’ll have a chance to vote eventually. Some have even argued that we can always try to go back if it doesn’t work, not realising how much it would all cost nor realising that it won’t be same as before.

We are kinda on the back foot when it comes to negotiations as we do want to retain some of the benefits of staying in the EU.

I voted to remain but still remained hopeful that maybe it won’t be so bad and then I read more about how this could lead to the break up of the U.K. and how everything will become more expensive etc. And I’m now filled with dread so I would like some well thought out reasons that explain why educated people voted to leave. Is that so hard to ask for? Someone mentioned videos, what do I search for?

I hope that those who voted leave to get a more accountable government
will be happy with the WTO and the House of Lords

Love some of the comments Angela Merkel.... blah blah germans ...... Undemocratic .... blah blah ...... gravy train ......Eu army ... biggest net contributor.... same old soundbites with no basis in fact.
It’s like Brexit bingo You voted leave When you ’won’ you simply forgot about it so are as uninformed now as you were on the day you voted. Nothing’s changed. You know what you voted for and want to leave despite not knowing how it can be achieved without thousands losing their jobs, millions more seeing a huge drop in their living standards and peace threatened in Ireland. All for what ?

Hang on, I'm taking no responsibility for potential lack of peace in Ireland. No one is forced to be a terrorist, which is how peace in Ireland will be destroyed.

This thread asked for reasons why people voted as they did. You've been told but since you don't agree with them, you just rudely sink to the dismissive attitude that results in leavers deciding not to engage.

I don't actually consider it to be my job to work out the logistics. I was asked what I wanted and I expressed my view. It's their job to negotiate exit agreements. In all honesty I didn't anticipate DC jumping ship or that the remaining govt and MPs would be so inept or that they would deliberately seek to undermine the majority view.

Have watched the video that was shared. Thank you for sharing any way. And I don’t mean that in a sarcastic way. I know how it’s easy to misread things here.

To be quite frank, I have no doubts that EU is not without flaws. From what I’ve read in the past, Selmayr still remains in his post. My fear is what’s the alternative? Wouldn’t it be possible to make changes whilst staying in the EU? Are there reasons why we should leave the EU that show how it can actually benefit us in a positive way? I’m all ears.

If we could get a good deal and still retain some of the benefits of the EU, that would of course be much better than what some people would like to do and just say “Brexit means Brexit” and not explain what that really means.

As I said before, despite voting remain, I was still hopeful because leavers were so confident of a better, brighter future etc and I just wanted to remain optimistic. The problem is that we are on the back foot when it comes to negotiations because we want to leave but still have all the good bits without making any concessions etc. And then I start to worry about the break up of the U.K. It’s not fair on Scotland et al. To expect them leave the EU just because we are, now that’s not very democratic is it? But those fears are not being acknowledged apart from being branded as Project Fear. But to be honest, I’m no longer optimistic and I am filled with dread.

The UK's MEPs did a shit job of standing up for the UK in Brussels
because they were too busy trying to undermine the institution they were paid a lot to work in.

Maybe if the UK had elected better MEPs we might not be in this mess

TheRealBoswell

I’d call that a narrow win.

By any definition of majority it is a majority. Word it how you like but it is still a majority.

the rest is hyperbole or opinion with the exception that the referendum was advisory, until the government mandated it.

as for the lack of safeguards on the referendum my view is well known in that there weren't any, which isn't something you can blame on leavers but the arseholes that set the terms of the referendum.

Leaver here too. All family and many friends. I don't know anyone who has changed their mind either way.

I think when you vote for something that has huge ramifications for the country and not just for yourself you research the subject thoroughly and make an informed rational decision. And that doesn’t mean reading the editorials in partisan papers like the mail or express, it means looking for unbiased appraisals of the potential consequences- listening to experts in economics or international trade/ diplomacy rather than rabble rousing populists like Farage and Boris Johnson. And to be honest we’ve had a 40 year relationship in the Eu so it’s common sense that it will be an extremely complex and time consuming process to extricate ourselves and not the easiest deal we’ve ever done as per Liam Fox That if anything should have set alarm bells ringing about the chief brexiteers relationship with the truth

They work for you ..... they get paid £80,000 a year
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_members_of_the_European_Parliament_for_the_United_Kingdom,_2014%E2%80%9319

I live in Scotland and have genuinely never met anyone who voted to leave.

@Fishcakey - do any of your family think No Deal is ok?
If they do, they are idiots. Not idiots for voting Leave, but idiots for accepting the idea that No Deal is ok.

I know several, mainly at work. A few others who just want it to happen.

A few others who just want it to happen.
Define it

When I see the way the EU wants to 'punish' Britain for leaving, I'm shocked to be honest. I worked in a multinational company for many years and I know that if one of our major customers wanted to leave and go elsewhere the first thing we would have done is ask them why they wanted to do that and to see if other 'customers' had similar concerns. We would not have smacked them on the hand and told them to bugger off - it's our way or the highway attitude

Quite frankly I see the way the EU has handled Brexit to be extremely juvenile . Thy don't seem to care how spiteful they seem. It would be nice to see some maturity and professionalism from them after all they are making decision for all our futures.

I agree with Iwannaseehowitends

TalkinPeece

Define it

On a thread about brexit I'm going to go for a scary clown.

pusspuss
I worked in a multinational company for many years and I know that if one of our major customers wanted to leave and go elsewhere

You would if they had refused to comply with ANY of their existing contractual obligations.
You would have if they had demanded access to your products on contractual terms after breaching contract.
You would have if they had demanded the right to breach your data protection walls

which is what the UK has done to the EU

leaving is easy
if you are willing to give up the good bits

To those that say we should 'remain and reform' in the EU, what reforms would you like to see?

To those that say we should 'remain and reform' in the EU, what reforms would you like to see?
Evidence based decision making on fisheries.
Evidence based decision making on agriculture.
The abolition of ALL subsidies on biofuels
Stricter standards on energy efficiency in all new buildings
and
A proper single market on services - but that one was Maggie Thatcher's idea, not mine