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British IS girl "wants to return to Britain"

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themoomoo · 14/02/2019 07:26

Said she has no regrets;
Says she's seen severed heads in bins but it didn't faze her.
Says living with IS lived up to her expectations.
Now she wants to come home to Britain as she's 9 months pregnant.

Sounds an ideal member of any sane society

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Justanotherlurker · 14/02/2019 11:12

I think the child should be repatriated and considering she doesn't regret it, not even in a fake way for the interview then she should stand trial in Syria for crimes committed under their jurisdiction.

C8H10N4O2 · 14/02/2019 11:12

she had all the benefits of a British upbringing, all the access to information on ISIS before she chose to leave Britain

So being groomed as a young teen is no defence?

Would you say the Rotherham girls, also with a British upbringing and retaining access to information in the UK actually chose their lives? If not, then how are they different? Many defended their abusers until out of the situation and away from the risk.

I think people underestimate just how susceptible we all are to influence, but especially developing children are at risk.

She should face the investigation but to consign her and her child to further abuse if she was primarily a victim of grooming is just further punishment for a victim.

WinterfellWench · 14/02/2019 11:16

Makes me sick when people care so much about the welfare of a vile terrorist.

Maybe save your pity for decent citizens in the UK who deserve it, like disabled people being shafted by the Government, or the working poor who have to go to foodbanks to feed their family, or the young who will never be able to afford to get on the property ladder, or the elderly who can't afford heating in the winter,or single mothers who can barely afford to feed their children... Hmm

Scum like SHAMIMA BEGUM deserve fuck all sympathy OR help.

I'm out. This threasdis making me fucking angry.

WinterfellWench · 14/02/2019 11:17

Makes me sick when people care so much about the welfare of a vile terrorist.

Maybe save your pity for decent citizens in the UK who deserve it, like disabled people being shafted by the Government, or the working poor who have to go to foodbanks to feed their family, or the young who will never be able to afford to get on the property ladder, or the elderly who can't afford heating in the winter,or single mothers who can barely afford to feed their children... Hmm

Scum like SHAMIMA BEGUM deserve fuck all sympathy OR help.

I'm out. This thread is making me fucking angry.

lljkk · 14/02/2019 11:19

There's a little baby about to be born who doesn't deserve any of this hate. And who does deserve sympathy & a good start in life.

Like a good liberal, all I can feel in this situation is sadness.
(And boy is SB naive & radicalised & indoctrinated; I don't care directly about what happens to her).

StealthPolarBear · 14/02/2019 11:20

Read what I've actually written. I agree she's scum.

ltk · 14/02/2019 11:22

The more interesting question is how she'd make it back with an infant in the first place. It's hard to imagine any commercial airline allowing her on board. It would have to be overland. And she's got one month before every EU border becomes a lot harder to cross. And if she'd be allowed, as a known terrorist, to cross EU borders even now. Gotta think not.

wowfudge · 14/02/2019 11:24

Btw - she won't qualify for benefits here as she won't meet the habitual residency test requirements if she returns from Syria.

RainbowWaffles · 14/02/2019 11:24

So being groomed as a young teen is no defence?
Would you say the Rotherham girls, also with a British upbringing and retaining access to information in the UK actually chose their lives? If not, then how are they different? Many defended their abusers until out of the situation and away from the risk.

I think the difference is, the Rotherham girls were just abused, they didn’t commit crimes. Most abusers were previously groomed and abused, it isn’t an excuse.

It is a interesting philosophical question, at what point victims become perpetrators and when do you hold them responsible for their own actions? Many people would not commit crime ‘but for’ some sad situation. Most criminals come from deprived sections of society and bad homes. Legally though, people are generally responsible for their own actions notwithstanding insanity. Sad circumstances is just mitigation.

Jsmith99 · 14/02/2019 11:27

I’m just waiting for the PC brigade to start trying to depict Begum as an exploited victim, rather than a dangerous Jihadi terrorist.

bellabelly · 14/02/2019 11:29

If you are a 15 year old and you make a really shit decision, do people really think that's that? Absolutely no chance of redemption, ever? I think she has been an absolute idiot and yes it's galling to hear her sounding pretty unrepentant (though that might not be her true feelings) but surely there's always hope of redemption?

mothertruck3r · 14/02/2019 11:33

So the Government won't let Christian refugee Asia Bibi come to the UK because her presence might inflame community tensions/social cohesion (because she has the temerity to be a Christian in Pakistan her life is in danger), yet letting this woman back in apparently wouldn't inflame community tensions (or basically, the opinions of the communities that would be affected by her presence - doesn't matter).

MissionItsPossible · 14/02/2019 11:34

Given the chance, this woman would gladly kill us, our families and our children. Those defending her or advocating a 2nd chance or redemption should remember that.

BartholinsSister · 14/02/2019 11:36

Why is she not being handed over to the Syrian police, in the same way I get caught speeding in France I wind up facing a French court?

AnnaComnena · 14/02/2019 11:37

The more interesting question is how she'd make it back with an infant in the first place. It's hard to imagine any commercial airline allowing her on board. It would have to be overland. And she's got one month before every EU border becomes a lot harder to cross.

Unless she's managed to hang on to her passport, she has no travel documents, and no means of getting any, unless she can travel to a place where she can get consular assistance. The govt has made it clear no official is going into the camp to assist her, so it's up to someone (Media? Charity? Her family?) to facilitate her getting out. And that's supposing any third country will let her in, with no papers, and knowing her history.

Even if she's still got her passport, won't the baby need one in order to travel? So it's not as simple as somehow getting to an airport and buying a ticket.

Momo18 · 14/02/2019 11:37

Let her come back, put her in prison and remove the child for adoption. Sounds harsh but two of her children died because of her silly romantic idea of a life as a terrorist. She saw a severed head in a bin and thought nothing, it takes a dark soul to not be phased by that, I'd be traumatised. She's a danger to society and her child. Let her in and run the risk of all ISIS stand for. She could likely recruit men to go over or recruit people to commit terrorism here.

AbsentmindedWoman · 14/02/2019 11:42

She was 15 when she was radicalized. That's still a child. I very much doubt she's emotionally an adult now either - she's spent her mid and late teens in trauma.

How much of her 'choices' were in fact real authentic choices made with informed consent? Somehow, I very much doubt she had much choice once she arrived in Syria and was married off. I doubt having sex was her choice. I doubt becoming pregnant was her choice.

She made a phenomenally stupid decision to travel to Syria, we don't know why, probably a mix of teenage romanticism and being targeted aggressively by people setting out to radicalize.

It's all a tragedy, but the baby is totally innocent and that baby is about to be born with no fit parents to take care of him or her.

For the good of the child, she should have the baby here, and it can be fostered out to give it some chance of having a life.

ltk · 14/02/2019 11:44

If the baby is born in a UN camp, it can be issued with travel docs, but be stateless.

picklemepopcorn · 14/02/2019 11:44

This is what the journalist who spoke with her face to face says. I'm with him.

Mr Loyd told Radio 4's Today programme: "She is the 15-year-old schoolgirl who was groomed and lured to the caliphate, and four years later, with that background, she is an indoctrinated jihadi bride.
"She was calm and composed but she was also in a state of shock. She had just come out of a battlefield, nine months pregnant, many of her friends dead and she's gone through air strikes and all the rest of it, so I wouldn't want to rush to judge her too harshly."
He added that she does not want her third child to die, but was worried that she will be separated from the baby and go to prison. Mr Khan stressed that the security authorities should question Ms Begum before she gets on a plane to Britain. "If we think someone coming to our country poses a danger to us ... it's possible for us to stop that person getting on a plane and coming to this country," he said. "I would expect now that we know that's her intention, for the police and the authorities to look into this matter and make sure that we do what we can to keep ourselves safe but also to make sure that there is due process."

AbsentmindedWoman · 14/02/2019 11:46

Her insistence that she's ok with her 'choices' smacks of a self protective mechanism to me. It helps maintains her belief that she's in control of her situation, which of course is not true.

Kind of like how victims of abuse can sometimes make themselves believe it's their own fault for being abused - if only they behaved better, they wouldn't get hit, so ultimately they hold the power to make it stop. Again, obviously not true, but it protects you from the realisation that you have no power in a particular set of circumstances.

NitroJenny · 14/02/2019 11:50

Giving the interview was another stupid decision on her part, she's outed herself as an Isis supporter in a camp probably full of people who have suffered under Isis for years. Good luck to her.

StealthPolarBear · 14/02/2019 11:56

Absent woukd you bet your or your loved one's lives on that?

Sheelala · 14/02/2019 11:57

StealthPolarBear

Let the Syrian government decide what to do with her. When you get caught smuggling drugs into another country they don't send you back where you came from and say "you deal with it".

StealthPolarBear · 14/02/2019 11:57

Yes that's a good point. But will that happe?

nomad5 · 14/02/2019 11:59

I think it's fair enough that the authorities have said that they won't put their staff at risk to help someone who chose to go to Syria.

However they SHOULD step in to help the baby. The problem comes if, for example, she is offered the choice to give up the baby (to allow the baby to be returned to care of family in UK or fostered out). If she says no, what then? They can't forcibly take the baby from her outside of the UK/legal system. And the baby should not suffer because of her shit choices.

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