Uk mother found guilty of FGM

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Awful story just popped up, first person in the UK to be convicted of FGM poor little girl.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-47094707

Any fucker.. You've got a real bee in the your bonnet there.
I'm not implying anything ffs. The fact one conviction has taken place since 1985 concerns me more than idle chat on a forum.
BTW, I'm not in any position to come across girls at risk and we are chatting on a forum, so anyone asking questions or chatting on here isn't actually saving or condemning girls. I was hoping someone else more knowledgeable ( than you) may come along and shed more light on what else can possibly be done.

Very interesting it's noted in tact on birth forms... I wonder who would tick the at risk box though.

Oh the roses, interesting but why just the mum go to prison! Why not dad too etc and wouldn't that drive child birth under ground...

However the foot binding thing does give hope.

Maybe it should just be law that every school in the land, home school, religious school, has a visit from fgm educators...

This is just horrific. I just can’t imagine how the hell a ‘mother’ could do something like this to her daughter. It’s just so shocking. Poor girls. No place for this in our society. The authorities need to come down heavy on the scum responsible for this kind of abuse.

As someone who is closely related to many generations of fgm survivors, this really comes close to home. I imagine I too would have been labelled as an 'at risk' child but thankfully, my mother knew better.

In my family and culture's experience, fathers and other male relatives are not consulted about this. They merely know it exists but they wouldn't be able to get involved with the decision making nor the actual procedure, he'd be hushed away and told this is 'women's business' if he challenged it. Most, if anything, are ignorant about this and wouldn't know a thing. As it's mostly a maternal business, that's probably why mothers/aunts/grandmothers are considered the criminals.

Secondly, the numbers of it happening have lessened thanks to education and also, the newer generation of girls who have grown up in the West and are now mothers of their own don't practise this as much due to the education at school and in the media.

It's very difficult to understand how women put their daughters and grand daughters through it. Considering the same happened to them, and they understand the pain and consequences. Whatever drives them to it must be strong.

Interesting what you say about the men MadCatEnthusiast. But with their barely knowing it exists. Not being involved is one thing, but not really knowing about it? I do find that diffucult to believe. If they have daughters they've had sex, and see their wive's genitals so can hardly not know about it.

Unless you mean barely knowing when it will happen.

Oh the patriarchy of male avoidance. It's done to make girls marriageable. I rarely swear but how the fuck do men not contribute to that if brides are expected to have had it done to put them in the market.

I have truly heard it all now.

RedForShort Yes, I meant they wouldn't know when (how young their wives/daughters) it has happened because they'd be well out of the way. Of course, they'd know that the act itself has happened when they see their wives because it's clear.

OhtheRoses Whilst I'd be inclined to agree, it's not as simple as making girls marriageable. Society, in the affected countries, believe women shouldn't enjoy sex and that if they do, they'll become promiscuous which would be a shame on them and their family. Mothers would then tell their sons to get a cut girl as a wife and that she's better than an uncut girl because uncut girls are promiscuous and unclean and that builds that ideal in their minds. Which ultimately leads them to wanting cut wives and that fuels the cycle. It's painful and a hassle to get the stitches removed/loosened for sex so girls don't have that option anyway to loosen it unless they get married.

It’s a massive problem in many parts of Africa and Asia.
I really think the only answer is education of the younger generation, men as much as women as it is men who see women without fgm as unclean and won’t marry them, but when people live in remote areas and such practices are culturally engrained then it’s not easy, or quick to find an answer.
Just telling them it is wrong won’t change it.

Burps, they are spoken to about the law regarding fgm.

For anyone who's interested, The Girl Generation seems to be doing a lot of good work in Africa and with the African diaspora.

www.thegirlgeneration.org/about

FGM is so horrific because of how it is performed i.e. usually done without any anaesthetic, using such tools as e.g. a knife from someone's kitchen, where the person is often forcibly restrained resulting in PTSD. Some of the severe types of FGM mean that to pee can take 5 minutes as it comes out one drop at a time because the urethra is blocked and the hole is narrowed to a tiny pin-prick. Plus there's the fact that FGM is generally designed to stop women getting any enjoyment from sex, and in fact it often makes sex painful for the female, but women are considered so unequal and their pleasure so unimportant that they have to be mutilated to force them to follow societal beliefs on sexuality and women's place in society.

A lot of work about FGM has been done by a charity called Integrate Bristol. Goggle the Silent scream.

We're talking about FGM here madcat. In the UK. Where it is illegal and where legally men and women are equal.

“I don't understand the men comment, generally fgm is performed on women by women”

And if fathers (or other male relatives or friends) are aware of it happening or planned to happen, and do nothing, surely they are legally culpable?

The campaigning social worker who was interviewed about this conviction said that when her Dd was born the HCP spoke to her about FGM and why it should not be practiced in her Dd. It changed her perception, and turned her into a campaigner. She admitted that without that intervention, and as a FGM survivor herself, her Dd could have been at risk. Intervention where it is clearly practiced in the family and culture (evidenced during maternity and other care) seems a good tactic.

Leaflets, posters, free confidential helplines in all girls schools and changing rooms. On the curriculum for girls and boys in PHSE.

I don’t want to see convictions after the fact: I want to see it prevented. I’m sure we all do.

The gvt has put £50m into education and prevention strategies in E African countries. Apparently it is decreasing rapidly in some countries.

From my understanding men tend to not get involved but culturally many men would expect their wife to have been cut

So it will take a joint effort from men and women to stop this horrendous practice

And yes fathers should be prosecuted for neglect to protect their daughters they are not totally oblivious

Let’s hope it’s the start of many more prosecutions

Just looked at the girl link.

Does it happen in places like Saudi?

Yes absolutely prevention and no prosecutions but if more prosecutions can happen it brings it into media and is talked about and makes it very clear its illegal.

Need to keep repetition this stuff it gets lost in general life and news and wars etc.

Many pronged approach and mw, hv etc then schools and special fgm educators going around to all schools and all hone schools educating on it.

Seems more in Africa and Asia is it in Pakistan.. India.. Saudi

The case I refenced from 2016... It was definalty the community ie men putting pressure on the parents to get her done.

Burps, according to UNICEF, it mostly happens in Africa - more so East and West Africa as well as Egypt, Yemen and Iraq. Not really a thing in South Asian countries though. Source

I know my previous post was talking about the reasons why, in my community, it happens. That mindset still is set with the parents who live here in the UK today. That's how they'll be thinking behind closed doors.