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Uk mother found guilty of FGM

142 replies

Seaseasea · 01/02/2019 15:21

Awful story just popped up, first person in the UK to be convicted of FGM Sad poor little girl.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-47094707

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brizzledrizzle · 01/02/2019 17:21

@Burpsandfustles How can you even suspect it though?
An over heard conversations?

Schools are given training which helps them to decide if it is a suspicion or not.

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Seaseasea · 01/02/2019 17:22

Anyfucker I didn’t mean if the teachers keep quiet, I meant the girls.

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Burpsandfustles · 01/02/2019 17:27

But then what.....
. Lady what do you mean about not given any info and can't teach it to the very girls who maybe 5 risk..

So what if parents complained.. One would have thought that would be good because then they are highlighting themselves to the authorities thereby surely giving more for interventions?

Deadringer · 01/02/2019 17:28

Surely the main difference between fgm and circumcision is intent (aside from the physical differences). Fgm is deliberately taking away a woman's ability to enjoy sex, that's the whole point. Circumcision might result in loss of sensitively and other side effects but that is not the reason it's done. I am glad to see a conviction in this case, hopefully it will send out a clear message to people who practice this.

flumpybear · 01/02/2019 17:31

I'm so pleased - I hope this sets a president that this is not acceptable in this country (at all!!)
Any mutilation or purposeful disfigurement of a child shouldn't be allowed by law and then perpetrators jailed

TopBitchoftheWitches · 01/02/2019 17:40

AnyFucker

I'm happy to be in the club if it means someone has educated themselves on this horrendous issue. 3 yrs old Sad

OhTheRoses · 01/02/2019 18:36

Oh the teachers can't say anything in case the parents complain. Reminds me of the idiot deputy head of a school I was a governor at in SW London. They can't tell the pupils marajuana (or whatever else is might be called) because the parents smoke it and one couldn't criticise the parents. Except that it was illegal and there was a burgeoning gang culture rooted in drug industry.

Total liberal left boilleaux. Right is right and wrong is wrong. There is a great deal for the wishy washy lot who dominate teaching, social work, and healthcare to answer for.

Aragog · 01/02/2019 18:49

How can you even suspect it though?

It's just looking out for girls who may be potentially at risk.

So certain cultures, disappearing for a length of time, planned lengthy 'holiday' to key countries , child displaying signs of urine infect or discomfort. It's like the way teachers, and other professions, look out for signs of risk for other things - keeping an eye and ear out.

Burpsandfustles · 01/02/2019 18:54

So you suspect it and then what?

Ask the girl, she says no.

What then?

What can suspecting anything do...

Burpsandfustles · 01/02/2019 19:00

Oh the roses.. But who cares if parents complain?

Having said that I think your right and it wouldn't surprise me if our head wouldn't do anything either for fear of offending.

AnyFucker · 01/02/2019 19:02

You do not "ask the girl"

You report to social care and let them do their job. It isn't your job to investigate or ascertain whether there is or isn't a risk of FGM.

Burpsandfustles · 01/02/2019 19:04

I think you missed the point there Hmm so the teacher's, the social worker... Whoever would go and investigate is told its not been done...

What then.

Aragog · 01/02/2019 19:05

Burps - at school we have channels to go through for reporting it. We report to the safeguarding team and they take it further. As teachers we wouldn't be doing the questioning. We are not qualified to do so.

We report all manner of safeguarding issues - some big, some minor, some know and some suspicions. They are all dealt with via the safeguarding team.

Burpsandfustles · 01/02/2019 19:10

No I didn't the teachers would do further investigations. The point is..whoever follows it up... They say no its not been done.

Then what!!

AnyFucker · 01/02/2019 19:11

If there are concerns from social care, then they have power to take the child to a place of safety

Burpsandfustles · 01/02/2019 19:16

Just wondering how they would realise there were concerns and how they would do that.

AnyFucker · 01/02/2019 19:19

Well, let's put it this way

They will never get the chance to do their job if folks don't report or if instead of reporting they just keep wringing their hands and raising pointless questions.

I didn't say it was a perfect process (quite obviously not, since this is the 1st successful conviction)

3WildOnes · 01/02/2019 19:19

In my place of work we regularly work with mothers who are themselves victims of fgm. They are spoken lots about the laws around fgm.

Burpsandfustles · 01/02/2019 19:26

Who would be hand wringing and raising pointless questions Hmm

The point is its nigh on impossible to do anything. You go to family ask if they are going to do it they say no, girl says no. That's it.

Burpsandfustles · 01/02/2019 19:27

3 wild... They are spoken to lots or they know lots?

They know its wrong?

missnevermind · 01/02/2019 19:38

There is a new marker on medical birth forms in my area, I don’t know if it’s country wide or not, stating female intact at birth, and then space to mark whether they are at risk from FGM or not.
And yes it’s all about education. But how difficult must it be to tell a mother what her mother did to her as a child was horrific and abhorrent and it must never happened to her own daughters, when it is usually the grandmother and the ‘Aunties’ insisting that it has to be done.
It’s also about educating husbands and fathers that their daughters are far too precious for this to happen to them.

AnyFucker · 01/02/2019 19:40

Well, you are handwringing and raising pointless questions Burps

You are also implying it is pointless to attempt to safeguard young girls at risk of FGM. Which is concerning.

missnevermind · 01/02/2019 19:45

My children go to a Catholic school in a Naice but culturally diverse area. In year 6 as part of the Sex education talks FGM is covered and a meeting with the parents before hand to go through the materials being used.

OhTheRoses · 01/02/2019 19:56

missnevermind how difficult to tell her what her mother did was abhorrent when her mother and aunts are pressing? It's a conversation that has no place. The conversation is to provide information. It is illegal here and you will go to prison. It will be more effective when more do go to prison. If the child is intact at birth and not at childbirth perhaps the mother should go to prison for facilitating or allowing it.

Stop the sensitivity to culture claptrap.

FlyingMonkeys · 01/02/2019 19:58

Surely education is the way forward though. Once things are openly discussed and not shrouded in secrecy then it makes it harder for practices to continue without questions being raised. The fact that it's culturally practiced by grandmother to mother to daughter doesn't mean it can't be broken. Foot binding was practiced for centuries but mother's did eventually stop performing it on their daughters for it to become eradicated from the culture.