Happy now antivaccers?

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60,000 cases of measles in Europe in the last 12 months.

72 deaths.

Preventable.

Give me all the jabs. I'm neutropenic and will be for life so my immune system is fucked
But people seem to understand neutropenic through cancer yet mine isn't "as serious" despite how low my levels are
So sat in the doctors surgery and some woman announces "oh yeah, he's got chicken pox, really bad"
Reception looked at me, shoved woman and child in another room and I stood outside. I refuse to wait in there now and stand outside. Same for a&e, I don't have to stay in the waiting area, I get isolated in a cubicle

I'm a 34yo woman that works two jobs and you would walk past on the street. Immunocompromised don't wear badges. I've had ever injection apart from MMR which I couldn't have

www.nhs.uk/conditions/polio/ isn't polio vaccine still given? its not yet eliminated last year there was an outbreak in New Guinea an area that from what I gather it hasn't been before.... it is a horrible insidious disease - & when a person contracts it there is no effective treatment - what a lot of people don't know is that someone can (Partially) recover & there can be late onset complication when muscles get weaker - (actually witnessed this)

Polio is an utter bastard
and Imams in Pakistan, Afghanistan and across the Sahel are killing staff trying to vaccinate.
based on misinformation from anti vaxxers

I think what is frustrating and muddies the water is when they add meningitis B to the schedule but you have to pay for children that missed out on it.

I have three children - one is way too old to have had it, middle child was just one month too old for it to on her schedule of vaccinations, and my baby has had it.

So my baby is vaccinated against it, but it would cost nearly £400 to get my other two done

I am very pro vaccination but I can see that makes it look like “big pharma” greed. Why are they not just available for free for children who missed it on their schedule because of age?

Talk some of that is thanks to the USA search of terrorist Osama Bin Laden where they pretended to be vaccinators & its extremist groups rather than mainstream in the borderlands - ignorance sadly is international & classless & the outbreak in New Guinea 2018 was partially caused by antivax misinformation www.theguardian.com/society/2018/sep/11/polio-outbreak-in-papua-new-guinea-reaches-capital-port-moresby

Gummy i completely agree with you.

My ndn is an anti vaxxer and a fucking idiot and she said something once like she wouldn't want to risk autism. How offensive to my ds who has AS and thousands of other dc.
Autism is not a death sentence. Makes me so angry. I had an 8yr age gap with my two and even when it was clear that ds had AS I still vaccinated dd, why wouldn't I?
It's not the end of the world to have an autistic child and I'm sure every one of those 72 sets of parents would gladly swop autism over having to bury their children. So sad :(

mumsa
Indeed the cover of the folks in Pakistan was as a vaccine campaign
but that does not explain the Imams preaching against vaccination BEFORE that
or the problems in Africa

frankly the anti vaxxers should be held responsible for every child who is paralysed by polio
as without them it would have been eradicated by now

@civicxx that's just your opinion and idc about it 👋🏻👋🏻👋🏻 didn't even read past that I'm an "absolute idiot"

@Elisheva Do not use my child in your argument.

@civicxx that's sick that you think a child shouldn't receive medical treatment because of their parents decisions. Sick sick sick.

TTC I am 60. They didn't have MMR when I was born in the fifties. I'm Autistic. They didn't have them back in the thirties when my Autistic Father and Uncle were born. And you know what, we were/are all pretty well known in our fields, coz autism, y'know, s'bad, init!
Oh, and as for the ingredients in a vaccine, they're pretty harmless, the thimersol argument is a tad hackneyed.

Oh goody, yet another opportunity for anti-vaxxers to spout shit.

MN: please ban anti-vax posts. They are dangerous lies.

Thank you.

In Europe, 25,624 people died in road traffic accidents in 2016.

All of these were preventable.

I’m not aware that road accidents are infectious. But do please argue otherwise.

What a silly opening post. I'm pro vac but can't imagine any anti vaccer being happy.

What a silly opening post. I'm pro vac...

I doubt the second bit.

Kissing lots of people are killed by other people's irresponsible driving. For instance, in the EU, 21% of those deaths in 2016 were pedestrians.

Unfortunately, bad driving, car dependence, road rage, and pile-ups on motorways, are all "infectious" in their own way. Even more seriously, pollution from cars is infecting the entire planet and, specifically killing a lot of people in the UK. From the NHS website: " 'Air pollution from exhaust fumes kills more than twice as many people as road accidents,' The Daily Telegraph has reported. The paper said that around 1,850 people die in traffic accidents annually [in Britain], but that each year over 5,000 people will die as a result of heart attacks and lung cancer caused by vehicle exhaust fumes [GB]."

I am tired of the viciousness with which people attack "anti-vaxxers" on these threads. Worse, this kind of virulent nastiness doesn't win the trust of people who have worries about immunisations. There have been a lot of these threads recently...

I often see the number of VAERS, which is the US Vaccine Reporting Service, reports cited as proof that vaccines are dangerous and risky. However, it is important to note that anyone can make a report to VAERS and it does not mean that each report is a vaccine injury. The purpose is to allow any potential problems to be spotted and investigated to help ensure vaccine safety.

For example, most cases of SIDS occur before 6 months of age. Three sets of infant immunisations occur prior to this date, naturally some SIDS deaths will occur shortly after vaccination. The important factor is have more children died than would be statistically been expected? The answer is always no.

Many people are concerned that the increase in Vaccinations is linked to an increase in ASD diagnosis. On the same note we give more vaccines than 30 years ago yet the SIDS rate in the UK has gone from 1 in 250 to 1 in 3000. So are vaccines preventing SIDS? No because correlation does not imply causation. SIDS has decreased due to safer sleeping practises.

Furthermore a meta study looking at ASD rates has linked lower autism rates to the MMR vaccination! Again I do not think it is causative. It is more likely that a child is immunised, diagnosed with ASD and the parent concerned that the MMR was the cause does not give it to subsequent children and family members follow. But ASD has a strong genetic link, this reduces the number of ASD diagnoses occurring after MMR. A link to the study abstract is here: www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X14006367. OR is the odds ratio, an OR of 1 means identical risk, higher than 1 is increased risk and lower than 1 is decreased risk.

I think we have largely become insulated from the devastating effects of these diseases and that is what makes people think vaccines are a greater threat. Anyone who has done genealogical research will have been horrified by the number of children lost to whooping cough and measles for example. Whilst I want to hammer my head against a brick wall at times I think better education as to the risks and severity of the diseases we have developed vaccines for is the best way forward.

An NHS link discussing the meta study is here and it also highlights some issues with the VAERS reporting system: www.nhs.uk/news/neurology/vaccines-not-linked-with-autism-study-finds/

I am tired of the viciousness with which people attack "anti-vaxxers"

Why shouldn’t anti-vaxxers be condemned in strong terms? They contribute to a major public health problem. They endanger people, particularly children.

Perhaps the reason there have been a number of threads about this recently is that there is a major measles outbreak in Europe. Caused by anti-vaxxers’ lies...

A couple of members of my family are strong anti-vaxers, it's long been a bone of contention, particularly when they were saying that vaccines were causing autism.

My kids are both on the autism spectrum. They're bright and loving and I love them to bits, but basically what my family members are saying is that they would rather that they had run the possibility of long term damage or death than that they were the way they are (kind, thoughtful, socially inept geeks).

That's not even touching on the complete media inflated load of bollocks that (no longer Dr) Andrew Wakefield put out and is still putting out (and still making money out of as he is the anti-vaxer god - I get videos with zero facts sent to me to 'prove' that he was right all along).

I've also been trying to explain relative risk. Vaccines have a tiny risk of a lot of things which sound bad, but not vaccinating has a much larger risk of a lot of much worse things. They are given because the relative risk of giving a vaccine is hundred times more that the risk of not giving one.