Happy now antivaccers?

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60,000 cases of measles in Europe in the last 12 months.

72 deaths.

Preventable.

That's a very simple opening post. Why were the individuals infected, which strain, were they vaccinated, were they immunocompromised, what age were they, were there underlying complications.
People who do not vaccinate are not trying to kill everyone off.

They may not be trying to kill people off but they put immunocompromised people like me at risk. Stupid idiots.

people who smoke put others at risk of passive smoking with smoking related illness being the number one killer. Why all the focus on vaccines when the smoking is a daily occurence?

Problem is, vaccination is a choice. It shouldn't be.

I am see people smoking and avoid them . I can't see the measles virus.

Geez. Both my kids vaccinated but the vitriol against people with doubts is disgusting now.
This is why rates of vaccination are falling.

Roll up, roll up...get your idiot anti-vax complete and utter bollocks, scaremongering, freeloading and smears on this thread...

well if it wasnt a choice you would be ok paying a hell of a lot towards the payments given for vacccine damage I take it. The vaccine makers had the law changed in the mid 80's to prevent them being liable for any adverse reaction. I'm not surprised people think twice before getting vaxxed

my d adult c has asd but didn't have the mmr nor did her first cousin - their is a hereditary link. There is research into the "pruning" of brain cells which should start to occur about the same time as the vaccinations. Pruning of neurons is essential because brain cells need to develop complex long links - there are several (peer reviewed) pieces of research investigating into the theory that for some people within the spectrum this pruning (making space basically to allow the development of these long links) does not take place. Vaccinations does not cause this affect. The increase in number (Oh God how many times must I say this???) is down to changes in diagnosis & increase in previously undiagnosed adults (re 2009 Autism Act in the UK for instance)

(sound of head banging on wall)

Its clearly not very common to have a fatal reaction to a vaccine or they wouldnt offer it. If you researched the side effects of every medication youd never take anything again.

You have to weigh up the risk and clearly its far riskier for your child and everyone else not to vaccinate.

Oh and i dont smoke and i choose not to be around anyone who does. Same goes for my child. I dont know whos children arent vaccinated.

Luckily our nursery only let children who have been vaccinated attend (unless immunocompromised etc) i wish schools did the same.

but they DO offer it dont they and signed off any blame going back to them.

Bwt not being allowed to sue vaccine manufacturers is a load of old shit. Hth.

really? can you prove that?

Well if you google it you'll see that every result says its a myth so...

State schooling
State funded health care
State funded housing
should only be available to those who vaccinate
unless they have medical consultant exemptions

I was incredibly ill with measles as a child. I was vaccinated. Some children I played with regularly weren't. That's enough.

If enough people arent vaccinated along with those of us who for what ever reason the vaccine doesnt have full effect it allows the spread of disease that could be near enough eradicated.

It’s really frustrating to hear the ‘vaccinated kids get sick too’ line trotted out continuously.

There is always going to be a small number of people for whom the vaccination doesn’t work. That’s the whole point of everyone getting vaccinated, the higher the levels of vaccination the less likely it is that those people will come into contact with the disease.

It’s also ridiculous to say that vaccine producers don’t care about side effects. The current whooping cough vaccine is less effective then the old one but they use it because the side effects of the older vaccine were unacceptable. However if you have proper herd immunity an outbreak is a hell of lot less likely

What's the age profile of those that died?

Too young for the vax? What %?

Had the people that died had the vax?

Did they have other medical conditions?

One statistic alone does not tell the full story

60,000 cases of measles in Europe in the last 12 months. 72 deaths.

For comparison, in the first 11 months of 2018 in the US there were 292 confirmed cases of measles. I think the US has about half the population that Europe does?

That paper was published in 1987. wouldn’t the ‘vaccinated’ children in that study only have received one vaccine and therefore be considered incompletely vaccinated in any study today? It’s the reason why a second vaccine was added to the schedule, because vaccine failure rate after 2 doses is negligible.

Measles is bad enough. Wait til polio and diphtheria show up. Don't forget meningitis either.

I had measles aged 9. There was no vaccine when I was a child in the 60s. I still clearly remember how Sick I was with it. Hallucinating because my temperature was so high, unable to bear any light in the room, searing headache. I was left with permanent hearing loss and learning problems. I suspect I may have had some inflammation on the brain when I was at my sickest. No vaccine is guaranteed 100% safe or effective but no one who has seen a child desperately ill with measles would think it’s ok to pass up on the opportunity to spare their child and others such a horrible disease.

It's not really as simple as they either get autism or they die though is it? They might not get either. I have a 4 month old daughter and am 50/50 about the MMR vaccine and both my partner and myself are currently doing research on it because unlike most parents, we actually want to know what gets infected in to our children's bodies. It always surprises me that parents will encourage their children to eat vegetables to get the goodness inside them but when it comes to injections won't even bother looking at the ingredients.