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Jeremy Corbyn

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PingusPaws · 26/09/2018 21:15

I think he could be a great principled Prime Minister.

He wants to stop the selling off of the NHS and pump money into it. Everyone is equal when it comes to treatment no matter how much money you have The NHS is a gold standard of excellence for all.

The Tories/May want to privatise the NHS. So if you don't have a enough money to pay for private treatment, you will die. Good times ahead if the Tories are in power...

Labour wants More Social Housing, for the young, hard working and disadvantaged, which now also includes anyone under 30, who will not be able to raise a deposit on a average family home.

Rightful payments will made to those who are disabled, or not able to work. Under the Tories there were many legitimate benefits payments rejected to those who had terminal cancer and other life limiting illnesses, The guardian highlighted this issue.

Also BREXIT

What say you?

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GhostofFrankGrimes · 27/09/2018 14:50

Completely agree OP. 40 years of failed Tory neo liberal economics have led to unaffordable housing, insecure rentals, increased poverty and privatisation that favours the rich few to the detriment of millions of ordinary workers.

Itchytights · 27/09/2018 14:50

Terrifying prospect

ShockHmmShock

Bluntness100 · 27/09/2018 15:14

Op, I get when faced with a hard situation it's easy to believe some politician and their pie crust promises. And corybn is a good orator.

But as voters we really need to look behind those promises and decide if it's realistic, or just a diversion twctic/ vote grabber.

For example do you really think that banks, businesses, and high earners are all going to stay predominantly in the uk and just cough up all this tax he needs them to pay? Or do you think there is a good likely hood they will move large swathes of their business elsewhere, and then the money won't be there to fund these promises.

Or the jobs, they will go with the businesses, and the people in the street will hurt more? That it's them that will need to be taxed more, or worse, be unemployed.

When businesses pay higher taxes, for those who do stay, who do you think has that cost passed down to them? It's you and I. They don't just pay it and cut their profits saying hey ho that's a shame. Our cost of living goes up. It's passed on to us. We pay that tax. It's us.

But on top of that, this is a party that almost daily hits the headlines due to some abhorrent virws some of its members stand accused of. Including corybn himself. Do people really want to say, well ok, I will turn a blind eye to this, as long as me and mine, might, just might be better off? I'll take the money and look the other way?

It's no secret what corbyns politics are, what they have always been. And as said, as much as many may hate the tories, or May, I cannot recall a main stream party leader as controversial as Corbyn, and there has been some controversial Labour Party leaders.

This is no gentle, principled old bloke, this is a guy with very left wing, socialist views, with arguable links to terrorists throughout his life, potentially anti Semitic with it, and arguably dishonest with the British public as he is not open or honest about his political views or relationships due to his overwhelming desire to stay in position as leader of the opposition.

He is hard core socialist, through and through, with some very dodgy leanings and thoughts added in for good measure.

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Bluntness100 · 27/09/2018 15:16

And to give you another hint, Jeremy Corbyn is estimated at being worth 3 million. He is not some aveeahe man on the street. He is a multi millionaire but would rather you don't know that.

Trampire · 27/09/2018 15:22

Great post Bluntness. Sums up a lot of my views.

I'm a swing voter and will never vote Labour whole Corbyn, McDonnell, Abbot are on the front line with Momentum behind them.

I have a good friend who's a rapid Corbyn devotee. I have learned to be quiet about my views because the overwhelming aggression of her views and her cronies cower me. I'm not a confrontational type. But I'm clever, discerning and quietly form my own views.

I might even be one of those shy Tory voters?

TonTonMacoute · 27/09/2018 16:37

@ Bluntness100

Funnily enough we were saying this last night. When anti-private school mumsnetters complain that private schools are full of thick rich kids, they are basically talking about people like Corbyn, and his two Es at A level Grin

bananafish81 · 27/09/2018 16:42

The Tories, who farmed out the decisions made being about those who are entitled to disability payments to a private company, made an absolute fuck up things and like I said in my OP people with terminal cancer where denied payments. I would hope nobody will have to suffer that awful fate in the future.

I couldn't agree more

I want to see the Tories ousted from government

Which requires a Labour leadership and opposition that can win a majority by persuading swing voters (esp in marginal constituencies) to switch allegiance and vote Labour

JC isn't interested in gaining the keys to no 10

So as long as the current Labour leadership are in charge, it'll be an echo chamber preaching to the converted, rather than actually trying to win over floating voters to get the Tories out

PingusPaws · 27/09/2018 16:53

About where's all the money going to come from,didn't May say there no "Magic Money Tree" yet when she needed the backing of the DUP to stay in power, she magically found 1 billion to "invest" in the Nothern Ireland assembly. Yes that's your tax payments going to support a party the disagrees with and still has laws against abortion.
It's ironic that now May is at loggerheads,with the EU and Irish Governments regarding Brexit and the Irish border that she is willing to see all the fantastic work done by all parties (starting with PM Major, and the Irish PM) and The Good Friday Agreement dissolve in to what could be another terrorist situation.

But that is second nature for May who welcomed with open arms (literally) the leader of Saudi, so they could discuss more trade deals on weapons.

She also refused to appear live on television in the run up to the election. She sent Amber Rudd instead who had lost the father of her children to cancer recently and a few days earlier her own father.

May is a coward, she wouldn't even meet or look at the Grenfell towers victims in the eye.

But if she goes, the Tory voters have the revolting cheating and lying bombastic bullshiter Boris in waiting.

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Parker231 · 27/09/2018 17:09

If there was an election and it was between Corbyn and May, I would vote for Corbyn as I think May is useless and has no idea about what is needed. I’m surprised she has lasted so long. Thankfully I’m not entitled to vote in the UK but as I live in London am always going to be interested in an political changes.

Bluntness100 · 27/09/2018 17:18

Hang on op, stop posting half truths.

Firstly, Britain has sold arms to the Saudis, for many many decades, included labour governments, in fact it was Blair who stopped the fraud investigation. This was not simply something Teresa May suddenly started doing. The reasons Britain does this is well documented.

The money for Northern Ireland was investment over two years and for Northern Ireland, the people of Northern Ireland , it was not for the Irish assembly. The money is for Irish people it is not for the dup, and northern Ireland is part of the U.K. to suggest she's given the money to a political party is ludicrous. And yes the Irish have anti abortion laws. What's your point, they should get no funding because of it? Kicked out of the U.K.?

I also have no idea what you're talking about with her wishing to let thr good Friday agreement dissolve, that's really not the case either.

And yes, she's a crap communicator and doesn't do it. Avoids it where possible That's probably about your only valid factual argument there,

If you're going to post make sure it's accurate. No one is saying she's great, what's being put forward is a rebuttal to your op. The response of well Teresa May is just as bad, and then posting some shite, does not make Corbyn look better or change the facts in regards to him.

SillySallySingsSongs · 27/09/2018 17:19

If there was an election and it was between Corbyn and May, I would vote for Corbyn

I would spoil my paper*

as I think May is useless and has no idea about what is needed.

Nor has Mr flip flop, everything is on the table, how dare you ask me that question, Corbyn.

SillySallySingsSongs · 27/09/2018 17:21

May is a coward, she wouldn't even meet or look at the Grenfell towers victims in the eye

I agree.

So is Corbyn. As the song goes, sorry really does seem to be the hardest word for him.

Bluntness100 · 27/09/2018 17:30

I don't know, I'm not a particular fan of may, I agree she is a terrible orator, but it takes some balls to go in and have a show down with the eu leaders, and to take the discussions she has with the different country heads. Being thr face of Brexit is a shit storm.

In addition, let's be honest, she's the only one with the balls to do it. No one else wants to.

I don't think it's valid to say she's a coward when she's doing a shit lot more than the likes of Corbyn or Boris.

But again, it doesn't make Corbyn look better by trying to say Teresa May is also bad. It just makes it look like Corbyn and labour are undefendable so this is the only come back to be found.

PingusPaws · 27/09/2018 17:35

@Bluntness100. This is a truth

The Irish don't have anti abortion laws, there was a law brought in to repeal this a few months ago.

However The Northern Ireland Assembly, which has the same government system as Westminster is lead by the DUP, they appose the right for any woman to have an abortion.

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bananafish81 · 27/09/2018 17:36

Theresa May is awful but surely Corbyn should be running rings round her

So why isn't he?

Where is the strong opposition holding the government to account?

Bluntness100 · 27/09/2018 17:44

Op, again the money is not for the dup, it's for the Irish people, who are also british. You can agree with their politics or not, it's irrelevant, because the money isn't for them.

And the reason corybn isn't running rings round May is probably not because he can't, it's because he doesn't want to. He doesn't want to be the pm during Brexit negotiations, no one bloody does.

Bluntness100 · 27/09/2018 17:47

And because he doesn't want to be pm now, then any promises, any speeches he makes are irrelevant. He has no, absolutely no, intention of being prime minister and having to keep those promises during Brexit and quite frankly I can't blame him,

Jesus he could promise anything, he pretty much is, but unless the dude actually steps up and wants to be pm, then it's all fairy stories.

Can uou really not see it?

PingusPaws · 27/09/2018 17:59

@Bluntness100
While I agree that the next PM will be handed a poisoned chalice.
I will disagree with the statement that no one wants to be the next PM.

Boris is gagging for it, waiting in the wings for his shot at it. In his latest book he compares himself to Churchill, FFS

A desperate for power narcissistic creep, who will do anything to make sure his name goes down in history, be that for good or bad. He's your man.

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DoraJar · 27/09/2018 19:20

@CoolCarrie - agree your comments (and shame Kier isn’t leader!).

Except JC reminds me of a geography teacher!

Bluntness100 · 27/09/2018 21:51

Oh, no, op, you've misunderstood me, they all want to be next pm,,,but only when Brexit is done and not before, they just don't want to be the pm responsible for it, no one wants to be prime minister when this is the job is at hand, when it's done, they will all want it.

I genuinely don't think anyone can think that any of them really want to be doing the job Teresa May is currently doing. And I don't blame them. It takes a certain strength of character to step up and say " ok I'll do it Because that's what the British public voted for".

As said, for me, I would put good money on the fact she will retire when it's done and I really don't think she is doing it for political gain. She's doing it because someone has to, and the men, from both sides, don't want to.

And that's why at this stage corbyns commitments are not relevant. He doesn't want to be pm, he won't be pm, he knows that, so he can promise anything, and it's in his benefit to make it as unbelievable as possible, so he just stays out of power.

When she's done it, then we will see the men fighting for power. Right now it's just a game as they let her get on with it.

RedneckStumpy · 27/09/2018 22:17

Why is Labour against Jews? I had no idea

bananafish81 · 27/09/2018 22:23

@RedneckStumpy

Here's a couple of examples

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/03/labours-pockets-of-anti-semitism-the-evidence/

(yes it's the Spectator, but the links to the originals are there, if you believe every single one is an anti Corbyn conspiracy then not much anyone will be able to do to persuade you!?

mycatthinksshesatiger · 27/09/2018 22:25

Yes op. He’s very principled isn’t he. Is clearly a principled anti-Semite, anti-women’s rights, pro-terrorist, pro-Putin kind of way. Is that the sort of principled person we need as PM? I am astounded by how easily so many people have been hoodwinked into believing he’s some kind of political messiah.

Notonthestairs · 27/09/2018 22:34

Broadly I agree with Bluntness.

Labour have sat back, watching the Tory party implode over the EU, in the expectation they will swoop in at the next GE after Brexit, having done very little or not enough to influence the outcome. But if/when they move in to No. 10 they will have somebody else to blame.

Labour are in opposition but have done little to challenge, question or provide their own clear plans for the way forward (rolling my eyes at KS bullet point plan) because they are just as divided as the Tory party.

The most important political change for a lifetime and they've sat at the back and muttered.

I don't consider that very principled.

And I've voted for them for 30 years. I don't have a party now and I am not alone.

Bluntness100 · 28/09/2018 09:53

It is something that actually really annoys me.

On a moral basis I'm against someone criticising someone else for the way they do a job, when they themselves are not willing to get their hands dirty and do it themselves. That's what the likes of Boris or Corbyn is doing.

But more than that, Brexit is a shit storm, trade deals are a key part of that, and here we have Corbyn, making promises of all these tax hikes to fund all his policies,, making us one of the most expensive countries globally for big businesses to continue to operate in the U.K. Even without Brexit they would be out of the uk or limiting their operations here. Banking here would not be feasible for them, too expensive.

And tax hikes for businesses and banks means one thing, the cost is passed to us, our cost of living increases, companies move out, we lose jobs, i mean seriously, if it was as simple as just putting up taxes and we'd be awash with cash, does anyone really think no government has ever thought of it? Why exactly are they not doing it if it's such a great idea?

Becayse they know, they know that the cost of tax is passed on to those who use their services or buy their goods. That it means an increase in the cost of living. They know that if companies can't maintain a profit, then they will shut branches, centres, folks will lose their jobs, no company or bank just says oh well our profits are way down and continues as is. So inflation would be through the roof, as would unemployment.

Fuel is the perfect example. The cost of fuel in the U.K. is so high because of the tax associated with it. We pay that tax. Every single time we fill up our cars. That's how it works.

And when is he making all these promises? Just as we are trying to negotiate trade deals, to convince other countries that the U.K. is where they want to be. And make no mistake, irrelevant of who the face of the negotiation is, we are the ones negotiating it. It's our livelihoods, our futures, our country on the line here.

And what's corybn doing? He's announcing to everyone that even if we get a good trade deal, it would be too expensive to operate here anyway. And hoping that as the general public we are just too fucking stupid to understand the implications of what he's doing.

But more than that. He knows labour can never negotiate Brexit, he cannot get us a good deal whilst simultaneously making the cost of doing business in the U.K too expensive to operate here.

So he's playing a game. He's playing politics. And he's playing the British public.

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