"I'll be there after breakfast" What does that mean to you?

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Just checking I'm not crazy. I thought that meant before 10? AIBU?

nibbling 11:30pm is still after breakfast.

12 is just as reasonably described as lunch time as it is as after breakfast. There was no point even uttering the words "after breakfast" in this case, as the phrase appears devoid of meaning.

My teen has never slept past 10am in her life, and very rarely past 9am. She's usually up by 8am at weekends and holidays, which is still 2 hours later than school days.

My kids are 13, 11 and 7 and on a Sunday "after breakfast" would be about 10am. The only time we say "after breakfast" seems to be when arranging pick up after a sleepover, which might be "after breakfast" (10ish), "before lunch" (11:30ish), "after lunch" (2ish) or "afternoon" (4ish). We're rural so kids tend to be picked up or cycle, in which case parents like a vague idea of when to expect them home.

6, 7, 8pm are all after breakfast. If you want to know a time. Ask

I haven't read all the answers just your post OP, sorry if you're having a hard time from some nutty mumsnetters. I totally get where you're coming from, I hate waiting around for people who are late and my DSis is really blasé around her timings for me too despite being on time for everybody else. Sounds like your DSis will be more considerate in future so that's good news.

How was she late though?
She said after breakfast. She came after breakfast and before a time when a lot of people have lunch. Unless your 11:30 picnic lunches that is. If she rocked up at 3 or 4, then ok that would have been late as that would have been after lunch.

People who use the word “nutty” as an insult tend to be a bit anyway, so if you’re thinking that’s offensive to anyone you’re sadly mistaken.

Apart from people with mental health problems, since that’s what “nutty” means.

So using it as an insult only serves to show you up, not the people you were so snootily trying to offend.

About 10am

Apart from people with mental health problems, since that’s what “nutty” means.

It also means ridiculous or silly which is obviously totally appropriate in this case 😂

happinessischocolate aye if you say so. Still think that people who use perjorative language about anyone with mental health issues is a dick.

Language matters. Those who dismiss that aren’t as clever as they’d like to think.

See, not as clever as you thought you were.

I’d stab anyone turning up at my home at 9am.

I think if you want to move forward from the crap you've experienced in the past and give her a chance, then you should work on your communication skills with her. Also try not to jump to thinking negatively about everything she does when it doesn't match up to how you think it should be. If that makes sense. She has stuff to work on too from the sound of it but you can't control that, so just work on how you approach things.

It's a communication failure basically.

(Not wanting to get involved in a side issue but I don't like 'mental' 'mad' 'crazy' etc being used either and I think nutty does come under that umbrella of language. Unfortunately they're all used a lot on here. I've reported stuff in the past but it never goes.)

EnidButton I just think if we were all more careful about the language we used, stigmas would be more easily broken down. I realise I sound like a pedant, but as a disabled Mum of disabled kids language really is a huge deal.

That would mean before 8:00am to me

You need to manage your child’s expectations a bit better too. I don’t tell DD about things in advance if I can avoid it to avoid her getting over excited and wound up.
For example her Nana is coming in a few weeks and she hasn’t seen her for about 4 months. I haven’t told her about it because if I do she will ask me roughly every hour between now and then when she will get here.

She might not be that interested in other people’s small children.

Even with a young toddler, we're rarely finished with breakfast before 10-10
30, because the toddler gets up late and likes about an hour before breakfast. Factor in getting ready, and travelling, and I can see how it would be after 11.30. The OP shouldn't generalise about young children's schedules, as they are all different. Not all are early risers.

I'd read that as before midday.

A rough time you are getting, OP.
A bit of miscommunication on both sides, but I guess in future you will be more specific.
I try not to give any advance warning of potentially exciting visitors as last minute changes disappoint small children and then you are left dealing with the upset.
All very well to say you should manage their expectations but some are more sensitive than others.
Hey ho, live and learn. Hope you had a nice day in the end.

I'd say about 10-11am. But I have youngish DC. If they were older, closer to 12 would be acceptable.

If you hate waiting around, like me, just stick to agreeing a specific time.

Next time agree a specific time. I would be if anyone arrived at 7am at my house and I have young DC. Before I had DC I was not an early riser other than work days.

After breakfast = before coffee time here so probably before 10.30/11.00.
It's like people who say 'See you later' and you have no idea whether that's in a couple of hours or in several day's time 🙄

Before coffee time? I'm sorry but that's even worse than after breakfast.
A lot of people consume coffee with breakfast.
My routine for example - wake, pee, water, coffee, coffee, water, pee, coffee, shower, coffee then food lol.