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What would you do? Historical child sex abuse within the family

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CV123x · 19/11/2017 00:23

A week ago we were told my by husbands parents that my husbands half sister has reported his father to the police for touching her 30 years ago.

He has been arrested for historic child sex abuse, and has made his statement, we believe has also been to court - but now awaiting her reply for it go further ie crown/magistrates.

He admitted that he touched her on 4 separate occasions, 4 times of which he touched her breasts and once that he touched her vagina.

We were told this happened when my husband was a baby he is currently 30, so providing he was around 1 - she would have been around 12-13 years old.

She is accusing him of more, watching her in the bathroom, asking her to come into his bedroom and going into hers, for touching.

This is the first time my husband had any knowledge of this and understandably is shocked, sad, angry, disgusted, and is all over the place to be quite honest.

We have a 1 year old daughter, and his parents have told us that his father must only have supervised contact with our daughter. That we are to receive a letter to formally be told of the authorities findings.

We considered ourselves to be a close loving family, we saw his parents regularly, they had looked after our daughter on a few occasions.

His parents told us that the step daughter had told a school friend/the school all that time ago, that mum was called in to school and the social services were involved all that time ago - but there was no police involvement.

We haven’t received a letter, but have had a phone call from Social Services. They asked me firstly if I knew why they were calling, then told me to say why and what it was about, then asked how we knew. Our thoughts and feelings, how we have taken It and what we are going to do going forward. She decided to send someone around for a visit which we are due to have sometime next week.

We’re now all in limbo and keep talking things over and over. Our lives have been completely turned upside down.

My husband is sad because he loves his parents, and he had a wonderful upbringing, and they have always done right by him. He doesn’t want to cut ties with them as he says they are still his parents and that love is unconditional.

However we are finding it hard to deal with, we’ve only known ourselves for 6 days and already we’re had SS call and now arranging a visit.

My thoughts -

I can’t condone what he has done, there’s absolutely no defending or excusing his behaviour.

I’m sad that his mum knew, but still stood by him. I’m so angry about this, that she’s knowingly let my daughter around him. Why has she never told her son, did they think that because SS had involvement all that time ago it was over and it would never come back to haunt them.
I guess why tell their son if they thought he never needed to know? She’d already got 3 kids from a previous failed marriage, perhaps she didn’t want to be left bringing up 4 kids by herself, although the second youngest would have been 12-13 and the other two a few years older, So hardly young. Did she not want her son to grow up without a father, or only seeing him now and then. Did she think bringing him up with them both together the best option. Would my husband been the man he is today (the most wonderful husband ever) if they didn’t do what they did? What would it of achieved telling him say when he was 16 what would that of done to him? Do I wish I didn’t marry my husband and have a baby with him - no I bloody don’t. It wouldn’t have changed the fact I fell in love with him. It’s a huge shame we’ve ended up not having the family we thought we had. Id love to know your thoughts regarding his mother

My husbands thoughts

He doesn’t want to punish his mother but says she has some serious answering to do.

He has told them via text at the moment that they are still his parents and he loves them unconditionally, but he needs space and time.

He believes we should take a half half approach going forward, they never look after our daughter again, but we don’t deprive them or our daughter of their/her granddaughter/grandparents, but visits are with us present, and either we go to them or they come to us. That his dad can never attend any of her birthday parties, due to other peoples children in attendance, that we only see them on bigger occasions, birthdays etc and not to much on other times.

Currently we can’t even think of anything worse than being in there company, as we are still coming to terms with the news, and going over and over thoughts and feelings. We are yet to tell them they are uninvited to ours for Christmas.

However we have SS coming around next week, we’re angry and honestly pissed off that we now have them involved with our family, my husband and I are good parents, and now we feel as if we are on trial. I know they are looking out for our child, but what do they want from us?? To tell them we hate his father, that our daughter will never be seeing him again, because as “perfect parents” you shouldn’t want your child around a pervert, because they are right you shouldn’t, but do we now stop our daughter and any future children from knowing their granddad until they are of age we have to explain all this to them, instead of keeping some kind of normality...?
would love to know your thoughts on contact or no contact

My husband and I will take it Day by day week by week as to our relationship with the both of them, as me personally I don’t even want to talk to them right now, I couldn’t think of anything worse than being in their company, however I do understand they are my husbands parents and anytime and any contact he wishes to have with them nu himself is up to him.
I’m sure things Will get easier as time goes on with our relationship with them both (without our child and future children)

How do we know how things will be in months years decades time... im not sure what SS is expecting of us, we feel it’s a test if you say we may see them in time for occasions with our daughter in the future but it will never be unsupervised - will we flag up as shit parents, like we condone what he done??? Are we just as bad as I feel his mother is? Knowing all this time.... you shouldn’t want your child in the company of a pervert, but should you deprive your child of a grandparent(s)?? Kids aren’t blind nor stupid, but 5+ they’ll start to ask questions, how do I do right by my child? I’d never knowingly, on purpose or want to put my child at risk.
But if we feel we can move on and have some sort of relationship with his parents, do we lie to our children to say they are working or busy, what when they ask questions why don’t they see them etc.

At the moment we don’t know if his father will get a suspended sentence or the 6 months to 10 years his solicitor has prepared him for..
So how long he stays on the sex offenders register depends on that, IF he got 6months or under he would be 7 years on the register - so what then? He’s a huge danger from now until 2024/5 then all of a sudden he’s no longer a danger. The system just all seems a bit odd.

There is no doubt that things will never be the same again, but do we go NC or do we “meet in the middle”? I know i’ll always be watching him around my child and future children, and my trust for them both has completely gone. They aren’t the people I thought they were, but they are still my husbands parents and my daughters grandparents.

I’m sad and shocked this wasn’t delt with properly all this time ago....

I think we just both wish it would/could go back to how things were before, happy loving family, I guess it’s coming to terms with it and doing what is best for our family (the 3 of us) as Ultimately that’s what matters the most....

Would love to know your thoughts and views....

Many thanks for reading.

OP posts:
thegrinchreaper · 21/11/2017 12:45

I just want to add to this thread, if anyone is reading this who might still be coming to terms with childhood abuse, that your whole life isn't ruined, you aren't damaged forever and you can come to terms with it and have a happy and fulfilled life.
I made very bad choices as a result of sexual abuse by my mother and her friends, and it did take me until my thirties to have several realisations and can colossally affect a person but I am absolutely fine now. Just wanted to counter what some well meaning people have said here, in case somebody struggling was reading this and felt like giving up.

AChangeOfName · 21/11/2017 13:11

@thegrinchreaper - thanks for that brave post, you bring up a very good point indeed. If a survivor is reading this point, please don't give up and do get help from the people who can help.

Some of the posts here are unhelpful really. Those of us who have been through a similar situation have ALL made the choice to be NC with the perpetrator, but also speak of the grief they undergo if those families have been otherwise close and loving to them. This grief is normal - shared memories can be strong, and mentally breaking these links is hard. I wish I had undergone counselling to help me through those dark times.

OP - you and DH will no doubt end up NC too with FIL/MIL, particularly after the visit from SS. I can only describe it as a dawning realisation that things can't go back to the way they were ever.

Someone said that people who are on the sex offenders list can't go to places where children are present. I don't believe that's the case but maybe terms can differ. My relative could have supervised access to children but had to declare any overnight stays or access longer than 12 hours. I went NC anyhow so it wasn't relevant in the end.

MimiDeLaSun · 21/11/2017 13:17

What would I do?

I’d cut all contact immediately and hope he rotted in prison.

It sounds like what he did destroyed your poor SILs life and his mum should be locked up for failing to keep her safe too.

What a pair of cunts. This should be a no brainier for you.

Anatidae · 21/11/2017 13:22

Could it help to point out to your husband that he is in effect grieving? He’s grieving for the loss of the happy family future he should have had. That’s very hard to deal with.
At the same time, the op who said that your first priority is safety is correct. There is going to be a lot of emotional fallout from this and you’re all going to need to deal with it. But the first priority is safety - and that requires you to publically NC with PIL and tell the family why, and engage with SS

AssignedPerfectAtBirth · 21/11/2017 13:37

You need to go NC. Now. There are No excuses. None

He WILL do it again if given the opportunity and you cannot give that to him. NC with his mother too, because she enabled it

If you don't, you will be enabling child abuse too.

I'm sorry this sounds harsh, but there is no other choice but to protect your child

CaledonianQueen · 21/11/2017 15:53

Apologies as I haven't read the entire thread, I just reacted strongly to your description of your sil and had to reply.

Unfortunately it is very common for victims of abuse to turn to drugs or drink to blot out the pain from their childhood! I am honestly appalled at how your in-laws have treated your sil! They demonised her for her behaviour, turning your dh and yourself against her and yet they knew all along that your fil was responsible, that he sexually abused her! A decent Mother would have prioritised her daughter and thrown her husband out and reported him to the police! She would have got your sil the therapy and the support that she needed.

Instead your poor SIL had to live with the knowledge that her Mother knew and not only did she not protect her, she chose to stand by her abuser! Sexual abuse can have lifelong implications, with love and support they can go on to have loving relationships and come to terms with the demons of their childhood. However your sil wasn't given love and support! Her own Mother chose her abuser before her! I know of survivors of sexual abuse who are severely disabled with conversion disorder, as their mind could no longer cope with suppressed memories and they came out physically! A family member is in this situation, she is paralysed and has several seizures a day, all because of the evil behaviour of her step grandfather (an evil, evil psychopath who abused her aunts as children too),

I honestly could never forgive your in-laws, if I were in your position! I would go no contact and I would never let them near your daughter or any future children. I would tell every member of family who has children exactly what they have done! I honestly believe that paedophiles should be locked up for life! Their victims are left with the memories and impact of their abuse for the rest of their days, why should they get off lightly? I believe your mil should be locked up for condoning his sexual abuse of her innocent daughter! They are both culpable! I hope there is a special place in hell for them! I also hope that your dh can get counselling and realise that his parents are not the victims they are portraying they are! That your sil is very much the victim and the only one deserving of his support!

I absolutely hate saying this (although I imagine it may have already have been discussed, apologies as reading six pages would be too distressing for me) but Social Services need to determine whether your baby girl was abused whilst she was in their care. I suggest it as a warning and because I would want to be prepared and would take my daughter to the Doctor/ nurse and ask them to check that there are no signs of abuse. I'm so sorry and absolutely feel sick writing those words! They may suggest that you do the same. So many hugs for you all, you and your dh and your baby girl are victims here! These people are not the people they pretended to be, your MIL allowed a wolf in sheep's clothing into your home and around your innocent baby!

SquirrelTail · 21/11/2017 15:58

Now you know this man is an abuser with no regard for the feelings of his own daughter why you want even supervised contact with him around your own child? Why would you even want to associate with him at all, that normalises the abuse.

It's not your fault but honestly it shouldn't be up for debate that you would go above and beyond to make sure this man and his cronies never come near your daughter.

SquirrelTail · 21/11/2017 16:09

CaledonianQueen, you're right and your reply to this post was very well written. I really hope she reads what you said. I think the thing is most people don't understand these things as well as people like you do. The thing is though even if he has sexually abused her innocent baby there are only certain types of sexual abuse which are detectable by examination. I wasn't sure whether to say this or not as don't want to get too off track but when I was sixteen found pornography of myself as a baby (photographs) and I was also sexually abused but only remember it from the age of nine although there are more graphic things going on when I was younger as well as this and we did get regular beatings throughout childhood but can't go into all that on this thread as don't want to distract from the issue here or get trolled but this Mother has no real way of ever knowing if this man has done anything to her baby and what those things could be and even if a doctor can't find anything she will never know. And it's sad that she would still continue allowing this man access to her child, who is still only a baby and can't even speak to tell anyone anything.

CV123x · 22/11/2017 12:54

A huge thank you to everyone, I sent the link to this tread to my husband.

It’s all starting to sink in for us more, and it will continue to as thinks progress on.

SS are coming tomorrow, we are going no contact with FIL, and for the moment no contact with it’s MIL this may well be forever too, or just until we get some serious answers from her, and what in earth ever possessed her!!

OP posts:
AssignedPerfectAtBirth · 22/11/2017 13:04

Flowers to you and your husband. It must be awful for him too. But you do need to go NC. Abusers like this don't just do it once and they don't just do it when they are young men

MadMags · 22/11/2017 13:25

So you’re condoning what she did to her daughter?

Ermm · 22/11/2017 17:28

I have to agree with Magmags. I really do get that this is difficult for you, confusing, shocking etc. But there is NO DIFFERENCE in guilt between what FIL and MIL did. None. There are NO POSSIBLE ANSWERS that she could give that would make it okay. Seriously. None. This is not just something your FIL did to your SIL. Your MIL did all this to your SIL too.

I have no doubt that she will have a whole suite of excuses - and you and your husband will quite possibly be desperate to believe her. Please don't leave a window open for her. Do you really want someone like that potentially to have any possibility of getting near your daughter.

I do feel so bad for you and your husband having to deal with this. I really hope that you both individually and together seek some professional therapy/support on this. I'm sure there are specialists who can help you deal with this.

WitchesHatRim · 22/11/2017 17:35

How you can even consider ever letting your FIL or MIL anywhere near your DD now or at any time ever again is beyond me.

Swizzlesticks23 · 22/11/2017 17:36

Your husbands dad is a pedofile - he abused his own daughter sexually.

And your both going to still have contact.

It wouldn't be just his sister he abused there will be others.

Not sure who's more fucked up. The dad his mum or you and your husband for still speaking to A SEX OFFENDER.

The world has gone mad.

Honestly.

CaledonianQueen · 22/11/2017 18:12

You are both doing the right thing op!

Good luck with Social Services tomorrow!
Remember that you are both innocent parties in this! Often families of abusers harbour guilt for not realising and protecting an innocent child! I imagine your dh may be going through this at the moment.

Your dh is not responsible for the actions of his father!

Sending Flowers and best wishes

Anatidae · 22/11/2017 18:16

He has to realise though that what MIL did wasn’t a single error for a man she loved.
It was turning a blind eye to abuse, and then destroying the victim

Everything that’s happened to your SIL is partly down to MIL. Think how different her life would have been if MIL had acted at the time, caring for her, wondering why she was acting out. Getting to the cause of it.
If my child started acting badly I’d be wanting to see why - I’d be pushing that until I did find out why.
YOur MIL knew. The fact she’s hounded SIL out, stood by FIL, insisted she didn’t come to the wedding - she knew.

I know this is incredibly hard for your husband, but he has to accept that his mother is culpable too. That’s a massive thing for him to accept - I strongly suggest that you get him to see someone. There may be more to come out.

mamahanji · 22/11/2017 18:43

Op imagine this. Imagine when your daughter is 12-13 and comes to you saying her father, your husband touched her and abused her. Imagine turning away from your child and standing by your husband and continuing to expose her to a paedophilic abuser and then portraying her to be the problematic, no good waster.

Can you imagine doing that?

No. No good parent would ever do anything like that.

So you anger with MIL should not get better with. You should always feel angry at what those disgusting people did to an innocent child.

SS should make it illegal to put your child anywhere near either of them.

And the rest of the family, especially those with children should all be told.

If someone knew I was exposing my child to a disgusting predator and his disgusting enabler wife, and didn’t tell me? That’s nearly as bad as doing it in the first place.

mumisnotmyname · 22/11/2017 18:56

OP, I think it is very unlikely that you will be able to get any honest answers about why your MIL made the decisions she did as it is very unlikely that she would be able to be that honest with herself. The only event which might trigger some honest and open discussion would be if she left your FIL but there is no reason to think she will do this.

Elephantgrey · 22/11/2017 19:03

I am pleased to see you back on the thread. It must have been a hard read for you and an even harder read for your husband.

You have made a good decision for your daughter. She is safe and when she is old enough to understand will thank you for what you have done.

I agree that your mother in law is just as culpable as your father in law. However understand the decision you have made. I don't think there is an explanation she could give or anything that she would say to make it better. There is no good reason for what she did. However it is easier for your husband to make the break. She can never justify what she did. But this way it is easier for your DH to let go of the obligation he feels for her. She won't make it right, so it will be easier to maintain no contact.

I hope that you get some answers from social services. You are entirely innocent in this, they want to protect your daughter from a predator, so do you.

In time it might help your husband to get counselling to help him let go of his parents. In a way this is worse than a bevement because the parents he thought he had never existed.

DivisionBelle · 22/11/2017 20:23

I hope your meeting with SS is helpful and is a source of support, advice and guidance.

I have been sitting here trying to imagine actually being told this about my own parents or ILs. If it was in laws I would have no difficulty: total NC for me and my children, little backward glance from me.

I have to admit I would find it so, so much harder with my own Dad. Not to withdraw ALL contact with the kids, that much would be automatic, but I couldn’t instantly lose all compassion for him. I would hate what he had done and be reeling with shock, anger and disgust. But the idea of looking at him and saying ‘I will never see you again, you are dead to me” is just.,. I don’t know, if I could do that to my own Dad. But no way would I be condoning. But really, I can’t imagine how I would actually react, because I can’t imagine it happening. Which is presumably how your DH felt. Before it did.

I think he is allowed to still have love for his Dad, and compassion for him as a man who is about to lose his closest family, will be shamed in court and might go to prison. He can have that compassion while feeling horrified by his actions, and while determining that his Dad will never be in contact with your Dd again.

I wish you strength and the support of each other as you go through this.

thornyhousewife · 25/11/2017 17:54

What would I do?

Make it a priority that my husband has therapy to process this trauma and untangle the warped relationship he has with his parents. The continuation of our marriage would depend on it.

I think all other steps depend on the above and your husband coming to terms with knowing there will be no relationship with them under any circumstances.

I would hope it goes without saying that the PILs would be instantly and permanently removed from our lives.

In time, I would track down the victim, your SIL. You could find a way to do this if you wanted.

I would also, and this might not be a good idea but I'm speaking honestly, I would tell your PILs how disgusting they are and that I hoped their remaining years are lonely and miserable. I'd probably also tell their neighbours and friends.

Milkandtwosugarsplease · 28/11/2017 00:36

How awful for you! What a horrendous situation to be in.
No matter how you look at it your FIL is a paedophile and your MIL accepted it and stayed with him putting your DH in a very vulnerable position. You need to cut all contact. If he’s on the sex offenders register I would expect that he can’t attend functions with children present. I don’t think your children will be remotely resentful that you deprived them of such grandparents, they’ll be grateful you put them first. Unfortunately your DH needs to accept that his parents aren’t who he thought they were. Consider speaking to a professional. What an awful blow for you all 💔

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Rainbowmother · 24/12/2017 02:25

Personally that would be it for me. I wouldn't want them in my children's lives. That risk is always there and MIL is clearly passive to it all.

I know it's easy for me to say but to bring SS to your door and have a file or whatever on you, would make me so angry.

I feel really sorry for your husband too.

I think it's terrible both of you weren't told. I'd be devastated knowing the had unsupervised looked after DD.

Babybauble · 24/12/2017 02:55

Maybe your sister in law came forward now to protect your DD too?